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<blockquote data-quote="The Sigil" data-source="post: 175854" data-attributes="member: 2013"><p><strong>*grumble*</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is rather a silly statement to make, IMO, because we are getting into RL religion here... In essence it says, "Judeo-Christianity isn't useful but Zoroastrian is." IOW, it is a slap in the face of Judeo-Christianity, where Satan/Asmodeus/Baalzebub/The Devil/Whatever name you Wish To Call Him is the supreme incarnation of Evil. Heck, there are probably people who believe with all their hearts that Bill Gates/Microsoft/Michael Eisner/Disney/America ("the Great Satan")/Islam ("those wacky radicals")/Environmentalists/Ozone/Cthulhu/Whatever-the-heck-you-can-think-of is the supreme incarnation of evil.</p><p></p><p>Point is, be *very* careful when involving RW religion in the discussion of a game, especially when attempting to elevate one religion's "validity" over another. I do not wish to belittle any RW religion (hence I believe it is a pretty good practice to use fictional religions such as Greyhawk, FR, or even Tolkien in games to avoid these conflicts) with these comments, I just hope that they serve to illustrate the potential problem.</p><p></p><p>If you give credence to a religion extinct or not, in terms of it dictating the power level of fictional deities in your games, then it stands to reason that you ought to give the same level of credence to EVERY religion.</p><p></p><p>If you want say that Ahriman must be a greater power because he is so depicted in Zoroastrian belief, that's fine. But you had best also be willing to admit that Asmodeus/Satan/Whatever must be a greater power also, because he is so depicted in Judeo-Christian belief.</p><p></p><p>If you wish to say, "my campaign works thusly based upon my own beliefs" I have no problem with that. But DON'T try to force your religion of choice down somebody else's throat or this will devolve into a flame war. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" /></p><p></p><p>Heck, I could claim that according to my belief, *I* am the source of ultimate evil, the one who made evil before there even was an incarnation. Should that make ME a greater power in your campaign? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>--The Sigil</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Sigil, post: 175854, member: 2013"] [b]*grumble*[/b] This is rather a silly statement to make, IMO, because we are getting into RL religion here... In essence it says, "Judeo-Christianity isn't useful but Zoroastrian is." IOW, it is a slap in the face of Judeo-Christianity, where Satan/Asmodeus/Baalzebub/The Devil/Whatever name you Wish To Call Him is the supreme incarnation of Evil. Heck, there are probably people who believe with all their hearts that Bill Gates/Microsoft/Michael Eisner/Disney/America ("the Great Satan")/Islam ("those wacky radicals")/Environmentalists/Ozone/Cthulhu/Whatever-the-heck-you-can-think-of is the supreme incarnation of evil. Point is, be *very* careful when involving RW religion in the discussion of a game, especially when attempting to elevate one religion's "validity" over another. I do not wish to belittle any RW religion (hence I believe it is a pretty good practice to use fictional religions such as Greyhawk, FR, or even Tolkien in games to avoid these conflicts) with these comments, I just hope that they serve to illustrate the potential problem. If you give credence to a religion extinct or not, in terms of it dictating the power level of fictional deities in your games, then it stands to reason that you ought to give the same level of credence to EVERY religion. If you want say that Ahriman must be a greater power because he is so depicted in Zoroastrian belief, that's fine. But you had best also be willing to admit that Asmodeus/Satan/Whatever must be a greater power also, because he is so depicted in Judeo-Christian belief. If you wish to say, "my campaign works thusly based upon my own beliefs" I have no problem with that. But DON'T try to force your religion of choice down somebody else's throat or this will devolve into a flame war. :( Heck, I could claim that according to my belief, *I* am the source of ultimate evil, the one who made evil before there even was an incarnation. Should that make ME a greater power in your campaign? ;) --The Sigil [/QUOTE]
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