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<blockquote data-quote="Information" data-source="post: 177233" data-attributes="member: 2402"><p>I'd have to agree. IMC, I've debated using a single extraplanar race of evil, demons (which I actually converted from another source), or using both demons and devils as detailed in the official products. If I were to do the latter, I would set up the individual archdevils and demon princes as merely the exemplifications of their races, not deities per se but not necessarily less powerful than deities.</p><p></p><p>The Ahriman/Asmodeus concept posits an exlusivist cosmology which would work with very few cosmologies, and as derived from the Guide to Hell, those which use the Great Wheel. But...even here it doesn't work very well. I would have thought that the Ahriman being would have descended to Hades (the plane of evil balanced between law and chaos), as opposed to the lawful evil plane, i.e. the Nine Hells.</p><p></p><p>The concept, no offense to Mr. Pramas, was poorly constructed. I don't use the Great Wheel (my cosmology is closer to Toril's), but even if I did, I would retreat from any suggestion of interjecting a pre-existent dualism in the Great Wheel's cosmology, *especially* one in which the planes of Law (as opposed to those of neutral good and neutral evil) were used as the catalyst for the cosmology's construction and eventual downfall (if I understand Asmodeus's/Ahriman's schema correctly).</p><p></p><p>When I did use the Great Wheel, I generated a cosmogony which allowed for the simultaneous emergance of all the planes as a necessary working out of a balance between all contending ideological extremeties, i.e. law, chaos, evil, and good. In a cosmology (presumably such as one the Great Wheel is predicated upon), in which all contending forces are balanced, an absurdity emerges in using one ethical extreme, here Law, as the progenitor and potential destroyer of opposing forces.</p><p></p><p>As I am leaning closer to actually using the devils and demons of 3E (excited as I am by Monte's BoVD, and his treatment, as I understand it, of the archfiends), and as my cosmology presumes no "The Adversary", I have no use or desire for such use for an Ahriman-type entity, especially one that has been associated with a specific race exemplifying a very specific alignment (in this case Asmodeus and the devils). Sorry, just not my cup of tea.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Information, post: 177233, member: 2402"] I'd have to agree. IMC, I've debated using a single extraplanar race of evil, demons (which I actually converted from another source), or using both demons and devils as detailed in the official products. If I were to do the latter, I would set up the individual archdevils and demon princes as merely the exemplifications of their races, not deities per se but not necessarily less powerful than deities. The Ahriman/Asmodeus concept posits an exlusivist cosmology which would work with very few cosmologies, and as derived from the Guide to Hell, those which use the Great Wheel. But...even here it doesn't work very well. I would have thought that the Ahriman being would have descended to Hades (the plane of evil balanced between law and chaos), as opposed to the lawful evil plane, i.e. the Nine Hells. The concept, no offense to Mr. Pramas, was poorly constructed. I don't use the Great Wheel (my cosmology is closer to Toril's), but even if I did, I would retreat from any suggestion of interjecting a pre-existent dualism in the Great Wheel's cosmology, *especially* one in which the planes of Law (as opposed to those of neutral good and neutral evil) were used as the catalyst for the cosmology's construction and eventual downfall (if I understand Asmodeus's/Ahriman's schema correctly). When I did use the Great Wheel, I generated a cosmogony which allowed for the simultaneous emergance of all the planes as a necessary working out of a balance between all contending ideological extremeties, i.e. law, chaos, evil, and good. In a cosmology (presumably such as one the Great Wheel is predicated upon), in which all contending forces are balanced, an absurdity emerges in using one ethical extreme, here Law, as the progenitor and potential destroyer of opposing forces. As I am leaning closer to actually using the devils and demons of 3E (excited as I am by Monte's BoVD, and his treatment, as I understand it, of the archfiends), and as my cosmology presumes no "The Adversary", I have no use or desire for such use for an Ahriman-type entity, especially one that has been associated with a specific race exemplifying a very specific alignment (in this case Asmodeus and the devils). Sorry, just not my cup of tea. [/QUOTE]
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