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Message: <blockquote data-quote="JohnBrown" data-source="post: 181985" data-attributes="member: 2243">O.K.,Let me start out by saying, Erik, “I love ya, man”  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />  but it not a question of whether fallen celestials are cool (which by the way, what exactly is cool about the Good falling to Evil… not getting all ‘mushy’ and stuff, but really, what is cool about that…?).  I have to back Information’s point on this, what you laid out, from my grasp of what you wrote, fits much better in a monotheistic or dualistic view, than the polytheist – Great Wheel view.  Every thing is supposed to be balanced in the Great Wheel view:  Good, Evil, Law, and Chaos.  If one takes a view other than “this how it was…this is how it will always be…” it starts to fall apart logically rather fast.As far as the whole ‘Blood War’ is concerned, I like the concept of Lawful vs. Chaotic conflict, but the logistics of such a war are beyond human comprehension.  Yes, I know we are talking about creatures who are capable of greater than human comprehension, but all of us playing this game are human, and if it is not conceivable to us (remember, beings with infinite recourses fighting other beings with infinite recourses over the control of infinite recourses…anyone who claims that they can fully grasp this I think is fibbing just a little <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />  ) then why bother.  Better to create something that does make sense in the grand scheme (i.e., The Great Wheel) of things.That is not to say that somebody can’t have his or her “Multiverse” work differently, but if you want to speak “canon” (i.e., actual game material printed by TSR/WoTC) the concept of any one being, Asmodeus, or what have you, being the primary source of evil, just doesn’t make sense.  Even if it does, I ask you, who cares?  Your characters would first have to fight through a horde of demons, devils, quasi-deities, demigods, lesser gods, intermediate gods, and greater gods, before they faced the “True Source of Evil.”    They would surely be by that time higher than 100th level characters, and I would be willing to bet that even the Epic Level rules wouldn’t support them then.Of course, your campaign may vary….Anyway, something to think about,JohnBrown</blockquote>

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