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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Gez" data-source="post: 182128" data-attributes="member: 1328">Some comments. The number of (rank'n'file) demons and devils is infinite, so kill ratio is not an issue. Even if demons were all 1/2 HD kobolds and devils were all great red wyrm, there would still be enough demons to prevent the devils from gaining a foothold in the Abyss, and vice-versa.The blood war, as I see it, is not motivated by anythig that can motivate human beings into a war. Remember that demons and devils are not humans. It is motivated by the very nightmarish essence of the fiends, in tune with the very nightmarish essence of war. It is a way of training recruits and of unnatural selection. It is a eternal war, constantly waging on infinite battlefields.It is, I think, an error to think the devils (or demons, or any other fiend) would stop this war for a logical, rational reason. These creatures are not logical nor rational. They don't think in these terms when making war. Logic and reason is the tool you use to design ships and to conceive computer programs. It is not a tool you can use for dealing with supernatural. And all outsiders are supernatural.Logic and reason is not even the normal thought model of human beings. It is a thought model that we can learn, use, and teach; but we're not born into it. By the way, it's not an all-encompassing tool. Could you imagine something more boring than a logical poem ? It's self-defeating.Fiends don't work on reasons and logic. They work on pulsions, emotions, mindstate. They have violent pulsion, are hateful and warlike. In this regard, it is logical that they go battling. The war is an eternal stalemate ? Who care ? The aim is not to win. What devils would do in a chaotically-aligned plane should they wipe the demons ? What demons would do in a lawfully-aligned plane should they wipe the devils ? Nothing. Devils use the war because it allows them to unleash their violence, to train themselves, and to experiment strategy. Demons use the war because it allows them to unleash their violence, to cull the weaklings, and to have fun.On another matter. I've seen some people discussing of devils and demons as races. They aren't races. They are supernatural beings crafted from the twisted souls of evil people. Even if, for the sake of gameplay, there's a number of fined types, they don't constitues races or species. Foxes, eagles, dolphins, elves, all these creatures belong to a specie and a race. Babilith and uridezu don't belong to anything like that. They don't evolve nor reproduce (even if they can cause the birth of twisted half-mortal creatures), nor age.Finally, to the devil/daemon/demon against baatezu/yugoloth/tanar'ri thing; I like the way they made baatezu and tanar'ri powerful clans of devils and demons. They probably have should do the same for yugoloth and daemons, but I understand the reasoning behind not making it: daemon and demon sounds a bit too much a like. (Personally, I use "daomen" for daemon. It was initially a typo I've seen, but I found this ortograph cool, as it give a classic feel without sounding too much like demon.)</blockquote>

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