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Message: <blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 184035" data-attributes="member: 2067">Fallen angels are an interesting concept, to be sure. They're evocative and descriptive.The only problem *I* have with them, personally, is that they reek a bit too much of an "EVIL RULEZ!" mentality.I'm okay with one, maybe two celestials in the entire history of history to fall. Same proportions of lawful Slaadi or chaotic Formians or good Fiends, or Rilmani of any extreme (LG, CG, LE, CE).What I'm NOT okay with is angels falling just because everyone wants to have that coolness in their campaign, or a force of good too weak for it's own believers to resist the lure of evil.Fallen celestials are okay, but they're so overdone, and so often not done well, that  they've become everything I hate about certain scimitar-wielding drow, to name a similar case.Good idea, but corrupted by too many who say "hehe...my angels are evil, and that means they're cool!"I'm comfortable with fallen celestials as unique (or nearly such) in the cosmology...still implies that the force of alignment can't be easily broken, when you're friggin' *made* of belief itself.If you like it, cool, and go for it. But since something like a fallen celestial template is of no use to me (personally, I don't see why they'd be any different than a normal celestial, just evil), don't expect me to go gaga over it.I'm not saying everyone who likes fallen celestials must nessecarily be "Hey, lookit me! I'm dark and brooding! That means I totally rule! Grr! Down with Disney!", but I'm saying that the concept is easily abused as such. I prefer my fallen celestials (or any inverted planar beings) to be truly evocative of how one extreme can so easily lead to the other, rather than brooding winged goth-boys.</blockquote>

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