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Message: <blockquote data-quote="The Serge" data-source="post: 175906" data-attributes="member: 4049">Well, everyone's using 1ed stats for both entities.  I'll use 2ed stats.YES, there are indeed stats for both of these beings in 2ed.  Demogorgon appeared as an avatar of a lesser god in Monster Mythology.  His stats are as follows:14th Level PriestTHAC0 7HP 112Dmg  d4+1/d4+1 (claws!!!), d6+1 tailMR 20% (lower than a Pit Fiend's....)Half damage from:  Fire, cold, gas.Immune to:  energy drains, poison, electricity, and mind control.Special Attacks:  cause disease (rotting), energy drain 1-2 levels (tail). Spell-Like Abilities:   charm person, charm monster, domination, ESP, feeblemind, improved invisibility, polymorph self, plane shift   Gaze Powers:   Each once a day at 60', beguile  and insanity , each as symbol. Not all that great...Now, Asmodeus appeared in A Guide to Hell  by Chris Pramas during 2ed last gasps of air.  Here are his pertinent stats:Fighter 25, Wizard 20 THACO 1HP 199Dmg   2d8+13 (3 attacks)MR 90%Immune to:  all spells under 4th level, poison, paralysis, petrification, death magic, illusions and phantasms, and mind control.  Can only be hit by +4 weapons or higher.Special Attacks:  Awe  (to any within 120', gate  one greater or two lesser devils each round (like a Pit Fiend...).Spell-Like Abilities:  symbol of pain, symbol of persuasion, symbol of hopelessness,  unholy word. Rod of Asmodeus:  a rod of absorption (up to 25 spell levels), cast acidic blast, cone of cold, and lightning bolt at will once per day as a 25th level Wizard..... Asmodeus, in 2ed, would have beat the tar out of Demogorgon.  Heck, a Balor would have beat the tar out of Demogorgon because the 2ed developers were clearly scared out of their minds from creating a Demogorgon along the lines of the one  in 1ed:  A DEMON PRINCE.I've always seen Demogorgon as the strongest Demon Prince with a deific rank equivalent to that of an Intermediate god.  Asmodeus I've always seen as an Overpower operating under special restrictions since he's trapped in Hell.  If the two were to fight (requiring special circumstances), with Asmodeus under those special restrictions, it would be a close fight with Demogorgon having an edge.  If Asmodeus were under no restrictions, it would be no contest.  Of course, this is under my own rules.  In 1ed, Asmodeus had an edge because he could fly and he could cast a lot of ranged spells that could harm Demogorogn... assuming it breached the Demon Prince's MR.  We'll have to wait and see what Monte Cook comes up with for 3ed to determine this battle royale anew....</blockquote>

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