Reply to thread

Message: <blockquote data-quote="TaranTheWanderer" data-source="post: 9283651" data-attributes="member: 15882">Depends how you use lip reading.  Lip reading is actually really hard but being able to hear parts of the conversation makes it easier.  In fact, reading lips helps you 'hear' a conversation.In a game, if a PC is trying to overhear a conversation in a noisy tavern, you'd have them do a perception check with the difficulty based on how noisy it is.  If they have Observant, you might skip the ability check all together because they can read lips which fills in the bits that they can't hear.  Between being able to make out some of the sounds and read lips, it makes it pretty easy to 'overhear' the conversation.So, if a person is 100 feet away, it's unlikely the Observant person can hear any of the conversation.  If they are a mile away, hearing the conversation is impossible.  So, if I were a DM, I wouldn't make reading lips impossible but, instead of making 'hearing' the conversation automatic (like in the first example), I'd make them do a perception check at a difficulty to 'see' the conversation from that distance.  So, it's no longer automatic but it's still an advantage to have.</blockquote>