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Message: <blockquote data-quote="shadowoflameth" data-source="post: 8877486" data-attributes="member: 62336"><p>I hoped they would play test the Assassin sub-class. With the rules revision it may be better. We'll have to see. Mr. Crawford has stated out loud and in the errata that the first round of combat is the only time that surprise happens. At my table, I may allow it at other times. 1. The description of combat in the PHB says step one is that the DM determines who's surprised, 2. Surprise is not a condition, it's described as the target being unaware of any threat. If a target is unconscious, charmed paralyzed etc. and unaware of a threat as a result, they are incapacitated but to my mind, you could very well be surprised as well. I hope that the new rules include language to say that if you are surprised or incapacitated Assassinate will work.</p></blockquote><p></p>