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<blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 4891956" data-attributes="member: 67338">are your DPR maths taking the miss effect into account...I basic attack for Hit: 1d4+4 Miss:01 shroud I BA for hit 1d4+4+1d6(B1)+3 Miss 02 shroud 1d4+4+2d6(B1)+6 Miss 1d6(B1)+33 shroud 1d4+4+3d6(B1)+9 Miss 2d6(B1)+64 shroud 1d4+4+4d6(B1)+12 Miss 3d6(B1)+9I don't know about you, but if I go attack A, Shroud B, Attack A shroud Bthen round 3 shroud B then attack B I do more on a miss (min 10 Max 17) then on a hit with one shroud (Min 10, Max 18).It rememinds me of the avenger...they screw with the miss and hit numbers and the dmag number making them hard to do real DPR...so lets do hit/miss out here...we will take a level 1 rouge and a level 1 assasin both with daggers and basic attack...both with combat advantage...we will give both a 15 StrRouge&nbsp; +8&nbsp;&nbsp; 1d4+2+2d6Assasin +7&nbsp; 1d4+2+1d6per shroudrouge hits on a 10... assasin on an 11roll&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; rogue&nbsp; &nbsp; as/1sh as/2sh as/3sh&nbsp; as/4sh1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 3.5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 7&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 10.52&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 3.5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 7&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 10.53&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 3.5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 7&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 10.54&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 3.5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 7&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 10.55&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 3.5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 7&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 10.56&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 3.5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 7&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 10.57&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 3.5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 7&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 10.58&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 3.5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 7&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 10.59&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 3.5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 7&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 10.510&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 11.5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 3.5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 7&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 10.511&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 11.5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 8&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 11.5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 15&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 18.512&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 11.5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 8&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 11.5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 15&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 18.513&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 11.5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 8&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 11.5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 15&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 18.514&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 11.5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 8&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 11.5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 15&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 18.515&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 11.5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 8&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 11.5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 15&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 18.516&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 11.5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 8&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 11.5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 15&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 18.517&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 11.5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 8&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 11.5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 15&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 18.518&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 11.5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 8&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 11.5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 15&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 18.519&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 11.5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 8&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 11.5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 15&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 18.520&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 18&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 12&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 18&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 24&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 30avrage:&nbsp; 6.65&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 4.2&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 7.285&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 8.3&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 15.075edit: Ok my chart doesn't look so good so here are the answers:rouge:&nbsp; 6.65AS 1 shroud 4.22 shroud 7.2853 shroud 8.34 shroud 15.075</blockquote>

[QUOTE="GMforPowergamers, post: 4891956, member: 67338"] are your DPR maths taking the miss effect into account... I basic attack for Hit: 1d4+4 Miss:0 1 shroud I BA for hit 1d4+4+1d6(B1)+3 Miss 0 2 shroud 1d4+4+2d6(B1)+6 Miss 1d6(B1)+3 3 shroud 1d4+4+3d6(B1)+9 Miss 2d6(B1)+6 4 shroud 1d4+4+4d6(B1)+12 Miss 3d6(B1)+9 I don't know about you, but if I go attack A, Shroud B, Attack A shroud B then round 3 shroud B then attack B I do more on a miss (min 10 Max 17) then on a hit with one shroud (Min 10, Max 18). It rememinds me of the avenger...they screw with the miss and hit numbers and the dmag number making them hard to do real DPR... so lets do hit/miss out here... we will take a level 1 rouge and a level 1 assasin both with daggers and basic attack...both with combat advantage... we will give both a 15 Str Rouge +8 1d4+2+2d6 Assasin +7 1d4+2+1d6per shroud rouge hits on a 10... assasin on an 11 roll rogue as/1sh as/2sh as/3sh as/4sh 1 0 0 3.5 7 10.5 2 0 0 3.5 7 10.5 3 0 0 3.5 7 10.5 4 0 0 3.5 7 10.5 5 0 0 3.5 7 10.5 6 0 0 3.5 7 10.5 7 0 0 3.5 7 10.5 8 0 0 3.5 7 10.5 9 0 0 3.5 7 10.5 10 11.5 0 3.5 7 10.5 11 11.5 8 11.5 15 18.5 12 11.5 8 11.5 15 18.5 13 11.5 8 11.5 15 18.5 14 11.5 8 11.5 15 18.5 15 11.5 8 11.5 15 18.5 16 11.5 8 11.5 15 18.5 17 11.5 8 11.5 15 18.5 18 11.5 8 11.5 15 18.5 19 11.5 8 11.5 15 18.5 20 18 12 18 24 30 [B]avrage: 6.65 4.2 7.285 8.3 15.075[/B] edit: Ok my chart doesn't look so good so here are the answers: rouge: 6.65 AS 1 shroud 4.2 2 shroud 7.285 3 shroud 8.3 4 shroud 15.075 [/QUOTE]

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