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<blockquote data-quote="Celtavian" data-source="post: 6674890" data-attributes="member: 5834">A gamist construct intended to support a fictional/simulationist element such as someone sticking a knife in someone's back or shooting them with an arrow from an unseen location. All rules are generally gamist meant to simulate some aspect of fiction or reality unless they throw out any attempt to do so.Why would&nbsp; you consider a good representation one where an assassin for some reason can't use Assassinate against a target that can't see him? How does the target see the Assassin or know he's being attacked if the assassin has not acted yet? How do you rationalize that in the fiction? Or are you completely unconcerned with the fiction? I find your interpretation a very anal reading of the rule. It doesn't at all seem like the designers intended it. It makes no sense that the target of an assassin would somehow get to act if that target did not notice the assassin, thus avoiding the assassinate ability. I wonder what percentage of people interpret the rule in the fashion you do. I wonder if the game designers agree with that interpretation given it does not represent the fiction the rule is attempting to simulate of the deadly shot from a hidden place.I also don't understand how you can interpret them as having taken a turn if they don't get to act. Seems like they've lost that turn. Unless they spell that out for you, you view it as them having a taken a turn. Where as I view it as them having lost their turn due to surprise.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celtavian, post: 6674890, member: 5834"] A gamist construct intended to support a fictional/simulationist element such as someone sticking a knife in someone's back or shooting them with an arrow from an unseen location. All rules are generally gamist meant to simulate some aspect of fiction or reality unless they throw out any attempt to do so. Why would you consider a good representation one where an assassin for some reason can't use Assassinate against a target that can't see him? How does the target see the Assassin or know he's being attacked if the assassin has not acted yet? How do you rationalize that in the fiction? Or are you completely unconcerned with the fiction? I find your interpretation a very anal reading of the rule. It doesn't at all seem like the designers intended it. It makes no sense that the target of an assassin would somehow get to act if that target did not notice the assassin, thus avoiding the assassinate ability. I wonder what percentage of people interpret the rule in the fashion you do. I wonder if the game designers agree with that interpretation given it does not represent the fiction the rule is attempting to simulate of the deadly shot from a hidden place. I also don't understand how you can interpret them as having taken a turn if they don't get to act. Seems like they've lost that turn. Unless they spell that out for you, you view it as them having a taken a turn. Where as I view it as them having lost their turn due to surprise. [/QUOTE]

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