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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celtavian" data-source="post: 6675515" data-attributes="member: 5834">We were arguing over nothing this whole time. The rule is quite clear. If you get hit with Assassinate in the surprise round, you get auto-critted. Whether you acted or not is irrelevant. The critical ability is separate from the gaining advantage if a person hasn't acted on their turn. All this indicates is that the assassin will never get advantage on his attacks on his next turn because the individual will have taken a turn on his surprise round.Just because you get a turn doesn't change the fact you are surprised until that entire round is over. If you roll a higher initiative than the Assassin, all that means is he won't get advantage on you for beating you on initiative. Likely he'll still get advantage for being hidden using Stealth. He'll still get his auto-crit for surprising you.The only benefit provided by winning Assassinate is advantage on attack rolls if you haven't acted. Whether or not that is intended to carry over to the next round is up to the table until I see further clarification from Crawford. The auto-critical will occur during the surprise round regardless of the initiative rolled if the target is hidden.I've seen multiple Assassins played. Getting that auto-critical is not hard. I knew something had to be wrong with what was being said in this thread. Now it is quite clear that someone was mixing what Assassinate does. Surprise auto-crit and advantage on attack rolls for target not taking actions on turn independent of each other.</blockquote>

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