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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celtavian" data-source="post: 6675554" data-attributes="member: 5834">Where does it say surprise lasts until the character can do something? It can normally do something at the start of its turn. If it is surprised, even if it wins the target does not get to do something during its turn. So that assumption is false.That's not what the book indicates. This is clarification from the designers, though I'd prefer to hear from Crawford. That is not how the book reads. It is not obviously not surprised once it can take reactions. Nowhere does it say that in the book. That is Mearls making a new rule that was not written in the PHB.It is another one of those rules situations that makes very little sense in the context of the fiction. If you surprise someone because they do not detect you, there is zero reason they should be not surprised until you act.I'm starting to see little screw ups like this in rule clarifications from The Sage that are altering what the book says. They should have spelled it out clearer because it makes no sense that a target that does not see the attacker would somehow get to avoid surprise before the attacker acts.Now a random lucky die roll can defeat a class's key class ability. Mearls is coming up with rule adjustments on the fly. It would have been so easy to include a sentence that stated, "You are surprised until the end of your first turn." So easy. Yet they didn't include that sentence anywhere. I'm going to run it in the way I think makes the most sense. I hope I get too many these cases of the RAW creating a fiction that doesn't make sense.</blockquote>

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