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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Arial Black" data-source="post: 6678627" data-attributes="member: 6799649">Wrong. If you are surprised, you cannot take actions on your first turn. There is nothing preventing a surprised creature taking actions in subsequent turns.Right, but you can only take react to things that you know about.Not arguing....No, that does not follow. Being surprised means (among other things) that you cannot take actions on your first turn, but the fact that you cannot take actions does not mean that you are surprised! The flow chart only goes one way. Surprise is not determined by the ability to take actions, but by the knowledge that you are in danger/combat.This just goes to show why Mike is not the rules guy!I do not advocate taking combat actions outside combat rounds. As soon as the assassin declares he is shooting at the target, surprise is determined and initiative is rolled, all before that initial attack is resolved.Agreed.No. There is zero rules support for that. You are surprised until you are no longer surprised, and that is not determined by the initiative count, your initiative score, what round it is, or anything except the realisation that you are in danger/combat. Strange. I was about to say that to you!</blockquote>