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<blockquote data-quote="Arial Black" data-source="post: 6682979" data-attributes="member: 6799649"><p>The DM determines surprise. <em>How</em> he determines surprise is entirely up to him. He can just rule, by fiat, that a creature is surprised in these circumstances.</p><p></p><p>However, the DM <em>usually</em> uses opposed rolls (or a roll versus a score) to determine surprise. The nature of adventuring usually means that as soon as you see a creature you assume you are enemies and attack, therefore if you see him before he sees you, you could surprise him. This is modelled by an opposed Stealth/Perception check.</p><p></p><p>But that is not always the case. Just because you see another living creature doesn't mean you'll each try to kill the other. Going shopping would be a nightmare!</p><p></p><p>In a situation where the presence of a creature is obvious but their hostile intent is not, then Stealth/Perception doesn't do the job. In such a case, Deception/Insight is the answer. Can you detect, through body language or whatever, that the person you think of as a friend/lover is about to attack you? The better your Insight, the better your chance to realise their hostile intent. The better their Deception, the better they fool you.</p><p></p><p>'Surprised' = 'not noticed a threat'. In this case, seeing your 'lover' doesn't mean you recognise a threat, therefore a sudden attack from 'her' may well be a threat you didn't notice and may well cause you to be 'surprised'.</p><p></p><p>That being said, the moment your 'lover' stabs you in the guts, you absolutely <strong>do</strong> notice a threat! You still reacted slowly, so you still don't get to act on your turn, but after that first attack hits you, subsequent attacks do not auto-crit. Unless the DM rules that you somehow didn't notice the 80 points of damage and the dagger in your gut!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Arial Black, post: 6682979, member: 6799649"] The DM determines surprise. [I]How[/I] he determines surprise is entirely up to him. He can just rule, by fiat, that a creature is surprised in these circumstances. However, the DM [I]usually[/I] uses opposed rolls (or a roll versus a score) to determine surprise. The nature of adventuring usually means that as soon as you see a creature you assume you are enemies and attack, therefore if you see him before he sees you, you could surprise him. This is modelled by an opposed Stealth/Perception check. But that is not always the case. Just because you see another living creature doesn't mean you'll each try to kill the other. Going shopping would be a nightmare! In a situation where the presence of a creature is obvious but their hostile intent is not, then Stealth/Perception doesn't do the job. In such a case, Deception/Insight is the answer. Can you detect, through body language or whatever, that the person you think of as a friend/lover is about to attack you? The better your Insight, the better your chance to realise their hostile intent. The better their Deception, the better they fool you. 'Surprised' = 'not noticed a threat'. In this case, seeing your 'lover' doesn't mean you recognise a threat, therefore a sudden attack from 'her' may well be a threat you didn't notice and may well cause you to be 'surprised'. That being said, the moment your 'lover' stabs you in the guts, you absolutely [b]do[/b] notice a threat! You still reacted slowly, so you still don't get to act on your turn, but after that first attack hits you, subsequent attacks do not auto-crit. Unless the DM rules that you somehow didn't notice the 80 points of damage and the dagger in your gut! [/QUOTE]
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