Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
Assassinate
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Arial Black" data-source="post: 6683444" data-attributes="member: 6799649"><p>There is no rule that says you become unsurprised, or that surprise ends, <em>after your first turn in combat</em>. It doesn't say that anywhere, and it simply isn't true.</p><p></p><p>Given that both our interpretations are equally unstated, be must use our thinky bits to determine which better models the situation.</p><p></p><p>For my interpretation, I take 'you are surprised when you don't notice a threat' to mean that you are <em>not</em> surprised when you <em>do</em> notice a threat! Not explicitly written, but not a huge leap of logic.</p><p></p><p>Your interpretation is that because <strong>one</strong> of the two <em>effects</em> of being surprised is that you can't act on your first turn, that this is not only a limit of when the <em>other</em> effect ends, but also determines when surprise itself ends. The tail wagging the dog.</p><p></p><p>My interpretation has the natural connection which <strong>is</strong> stated in the rules (that 'surprise' = 'not noticing a threat') work both ways. But yours has the measure of your reaction speed inexplicably <strong>determine</strong> what you notice! That doesn't make sense!</p><p></p><p>Of our two interpretations, <em>neither</em> of which is specifically written, I think mine makes sense and yours doesn't.</p><p></p><p>At this point I doubt either of us will change the other's opinion on this, but I'm happy to let neutral readers see our respective cases. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The <em>result</em> of being surprised by the threat (one of the results) is that you were caught off guard and don't get your act together for a moment.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Arial Black, post: 6683444, member: 6799649"] There is no rule that says you become unsurprised, or that surprise ends, [i]after your first turn in combat[/i]. It doesn't say that anywhere, and it simply isn't true. Given that both our interpretations are equally unstated, be must use our thinky bits to determine which better models the situation. For my interpretation, I take 'you are surprised when you don't notice a threat' to mean that you are [i]not[/i] surprised when you [i]do[/i] notice a threat! Not explicitly written, but not a huge leap of logic. Your interpretation is that because [b]one[/b] of the two [i]effects[/i] of being surprised is that you can't act on your first turn, that this is not only a limit of when the [i]other[/i] effect ends, but also determines when surprise itself ends. The tail wagging the dog. My interpretation has the natural connection which [b]is[/b] stated in the rules (that 'surprise' = 'not noticing a threat') work both ways. But yours has the measure of your reaction speed inexplicably [b]determine[/b] what you notice! That doesn't make sense! Of our two interpretations, [i]neither[/i] of which is specifically written, I think mine makes sense and yours doesn't. At this point I doubt either of us will change the other's opinion on this, but I'm happy to let neutral readers see our respective cases. The [i]result[/i] of being surprised by the threat (one of the results) is that you were caught off guard and don't get your act together for a moment. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
Assassinate
Top