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Message: <blockquote data-quote="SkidAce" data-source="post: 6683776" data-attributes="member: 7706">I would just use situational application.Sneakin up on a guard that's 100 feet away across an open field, and you are invisible?  No stealth roll needed until you got within hearing range.  I mean he might look around but he cant see you.  As you get closer he may hear you however.My work used to involve sneaking up on sentries, both real world and training.  With camo in some thick brush I got to within 20 feet of a sentry, and he heard something.  That dude had some serious ears.  I stopped instantly.  He turned and looked right at me.  (It was also dim light).  Didn't see me.He went back to watching his area of responsibility until I tapped him on the shoulder.In game terms, I was kinda invisible.  Once close enough for him to hear me, his perception beat my stealth.  He heard something.  But, he couldn't see me so he went back to his job.  I guess my next "stealth roll" was better (I took 10, hehe)But after typing all that, its actually simpler....let the DM adjudicate based on the situation.  If I had been sneaking up on a dude while invisbile but walking through mud...</blockquote>