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<blockquote data-quote="redrick" data-source="post: 6683792" data-attributes="member: 6777696"><p>Sure, I mean, it's however you want to arrive at your end result. In the case of sneaking up on somebody who is inattentive, I'd start with:</p><p></p><p>1. Sneaking across an empty room with no obstruction: Impossible</p><p>2. <em>But</em> the only people in the room are looking the other way. Possible, but at disadvantage, because the slightest glance in your direction will <em>automatically</em> give you away.</p><p>3. <em>But</em> you are invisible. Possible, no disadvantage. Just avoid making noise (as you would in any other stealthy situation with total cover), and they won't know you're there.</p><p>4. <em>But</em> the only people in the room are being very inattentive because they are focusing on something else, and don't suspect anything could happen in their home, so they are unlikely to notice noises and other disturbances, even if those disturbances are theoretically audible to them. The observer has disadvantage to perception and, for simplicity, we'll transfer this as advantage to the sneaking person. (Advantage that would cancel out with disadvantage were point 3 to be untrue.)</p><p></p><p>Your wife in her own home is most certainly at disadvantage to perception if she is comfortable, relaxed and believes herself to be completely away from harm. Frequently, in adventure settings, we are encountering people who do not meet all those criteria. What if she were comfortable and relaxed in somebody else's home? Or at a campsite? Or she was used to hearing gunshots and stories of robbery in her neighborhood?</p><p></p><p>But, yeah, anyway, whatever. It's how you want to arrive at what feels advantageous vs disadvantageous to you. I only respond because I've had situations where players have made very insistent arguments for advantage that were more or less, "but I'm invisible!" And I say to, to that statement, I don't care. Invisibility, in of itself, does not confer advantage on hiding. It confers the ability to hide. Along with a number of other more traditional means of obscurement. A person who is invisible still needs to go to lengths to hide themselves from the 4 other senses. (And from sight as well, depending on how visually their surroundings are impacted by somebody traipsing through them.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="redrick, post: 6683792, member: 6777696"] Sure, I mean, it's however you want to arrive at your end result. In the case of sneaking up on somebody who is inattentive, I'd start with: 1. Sneaking across an empty room with no obstruction: Impossible 2. [I]But[/I] the only people in the room are looking the other way. Possible, but at disadvantage, because the slightest glance in your direction will [I]automatically[/I] give you away. 3. [I]But[/I] you are invisible. Possible, no disadvantage. Just avoid making noise (as you would in any other stealthy situation with total cover), and they won't know you're there. 4. [I]But[/I] the only people in the room are being very inattentive because they are focusing on something else, and don't suspect anything could happen in their home, so they are unlikely to notice noises and other disturbances, even if those disturbances are theoretically audible to them. The observer has disadvantage to perception and, for simplicity, we'll transfer this as advantage to the sneaking person. (Advantage that would cancel out with disadvantage were point 3 to be untrue.) Your wife in her own home is most certainly at disadvantage to perception if she is comfortable, relaxed and believes herself to be completely away from harm. Frequently, in adventure settings, we are encountering people who do not meet all those criteria. What if she were comfortable and relaxed in somebody else's home? Or at a campsite? Or she was used to hearing gunshots and stories of robbery in her neighborhood? But, yeah, anyway, whatever. It's how you want to arrive at what feels advantageous vs disadvantageous to you. I only respond because I've had situations where players have made very insistent arguments for advantage that were more or less, "but I'm invisible!" And I say to, to that statement, I don't care. Invisibility, in of itself, does not confer advantage on hiding. It confers the ability to hide. Along with a number of other more traditional means of obscurement. A person who is invisible still needs to go to lengths to hide themselves from the 4 other senses. (And from sight as well, depending on how visually their surroundings are impacted by somebody traipsing through them.) [/QUOTE]
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