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<blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 6684648" data-attributes="member: 16814">Let's look at a few different cases:1). Standing in the middle of a brightly lit room.A)cloak of invis:&nbsp; invisible just standing there, stealth check to move undetected.B) cloak of elvenkind:&nbsp; easily seen, no stealth check allowed at all.2) lightly obscured:A) CoI:&nbsp; invisible if standing still, no stealth check needed.&nbsp; Stealth check to move undetected.B) CoE:&nbsp; can't hide here (absent class ability), stealth check with advantage of moving from previously hidden location.3) heavily obscuredA) CoI and CoE:&nbsp; hidden from view.4) have coverA) CoI:&nbsp; invisible, no stealth check needed.&nbsp; Stealth check to move undetected, even into areas with no cover.B) CoE: can make stealth check with abstract to hide.&nbsp; Makes stealth check at advantage to move, but must stay in cover or becomes visible.So, in almost all cases, the cloak of invisibility is superior.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ovinomancer, post: 6684648, member: 16814"] Let's look at a few different cases: 1). Standing in the middle of a brightly lit room. A)cloak of invis: invisible just standing there, stealth check to move undetected. B) cloak of elvenkind: easily seen, no stealth check allowed at all. 2) lightly obscured: A) CoI: invisible if standing still, no stealth check needed. Stealth check to move undetected. B) CoE: can't hide here (absent class ability), stealth check with advantage of moving from previously hidden location. 3) heavily obscured A) CoI and CoE: hidden from view. 4) have cover A) CoI: invisible, no stealth check needed. Stealth check to move undetected, even into areas with no cover. B) CoE: can make stealth check with abstract to hide. Makes stealth check at advantage to move, but must stay in cover or becomes visible. So, in almost all cases, the cloak of invisibility is superior. [/QUOTE]

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