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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Arial Black" data-source="post: 6685014" data-attributes="member: 6799649">You may be right. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />I have a slightly different take, but I'll illustrate it by first addressing your examples.Mine: No, combat never reached or involved the Dreadnought. It could have, either by the PCs interacting with him in a hostile way (attacking), OR if the Dreadnought had noticed a threat.I wrote about this earlier in the thread. A creature who is surprised cannot act on its first turn of that combat. If the combat had been raging for several rounds, undetected by a creature in, say, another room, then that creature is not in combat, has no initiative score, and does not require Actions In Combat to do stuff; it just Does Stuff. Therefore, not frozen in time, despite not having any 'turns' or 'actions'.As soon as the fighting bursts into that room, then the creature may or may not be surprised. If it is, then it cannot act on its first turn.In your example, the Dreadnought was never in combat, never had an initiative, never had turns, never had Actions In Combat and never needed them to Do Stuff, so was never frozen in time.Same here.Again, same here.It seems we end up the same, but for different reasons. At least as far as these examples are concerned.</blockquote>

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