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<blockquote data-quote="Majoru Oakheart" data-source="post: 6685229" data-attributes="member: 5143">I don't think it's a mistake.&nbsp; Saying that surprise ends when someone takes their turn on the first round adds a lot of complication to the game without really adding any benefit.Contrast:DM: &quot;You are surprised by some enemies, they all managed to beat your Passive Perceptions with their Stealth checks.&nbsp; Roll for Initiative.&quot;DM: &quot;Alright, an Orc pops up over a barrel at the back of the room and attacks the fighter.&nbsp; He hits AC 19 and does 27 damage.&quot;DM: &quot;Now, the beginning of round 2.&nbsp; The fighter goes.&nbsp; You've just been hit by an Orc.&nbsp; You can see him behind a barrel.&nbsp; What do you do?&quot;vsDM: &quot;You are surprised by some enemies, they all managed to beat your Passive Perceptions with their Stealth checks.&nbsp; Roll for Initiative.&quot;DM: &quot;Alright, an Orc pops up over a barrel at the back of the room and attacks the fighter.&nbsp; He hits AC 19 and does 27 damage.&quot;Fighter: &quot;Hold on, I rolled a 22 for initiative.&nbsp; He went before me?&quot;DM: &quot;Uhh...no, he goes at 19.&quot;Fighter: &quot;Then I assume he's doing an assassinate on me and that power only works if I'm surprised.&nbsp; I'm no longer surprised since I went before him.&quot;DM: &quot;Oh, right.&nbsp; I forgot I needed to check who went before the enemy in initiative.&nbsp; I just figured I didn't need to call out everyone's initiative in order since you were surprised and none of you could act.&nbsp; I guess the only way we'll really be able to tell who is surprised and who isn't is by wasting time calling out useless initiatives.&nbsp; Let's get to it then...&quot;DM: &quot;Fighter&quot;Fighter: &quot;I do nothing since I can't act this round.&quot;DM: &quot;Wizard&quot;Wizard: &quot;I do nothing since I can't act this round.&quot;DM: &quot;Now the Orc goes.&nbsp; I guess he fires at the Rogue since the Rogue rolled lower initiative than the Orc.&nbsp; He hits AC 19 and does 27 damage.&quot;DM: &quot;Rogue&quot;Rogue: &quot;I do nothing since I can't act this round.&quot;DM: &quot;Cleric&quot;Cleric: &quot;I do nothing since I can't act this round.&quot;Unless I'm missing some sort of nebulous &quot;benefit&quot; that you get from making surprise end when someone takes their turn.&nbsp; Other than it being a matter of principle that the end of someone's turn HAS to be when surprise ends.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Majoru Oakheart, post: 6685229, member: 5143"] I don't think it's a mistake. Saying that surprise ends when someone takes their turn on the first round adds a lot of complication to the game without really adding any benefit. Contrast: DM: "You are surprised by some enemies, they all managed to beat your Passive Perceptions with their Stealth checks. Roll for Initiative." DM: "Alright, an Orc pops up over a barrel at the back of the room and attacks the fighter. He hits AC 19 and does 27 damage." DM: "Now, the beginning of round 2. The fighter goes. You've just been hit by an Orc. You can see him behind a barrel. What do you do?" vs DM: "You are surprised by some enemies, they all managed to beat your Passive Perceptions with their Stealth checks. Roll for Initiative." DM: "Alright, an Orc pops up over a barrel at the back of the room and attacks the fighter. He hits AC 19 and does 27 damage." Fighter: "Hold on, I rolled a 22 for initiative. He went before me?" DM: "Uhh...no, he goes at 19." Fighter: "Then I assume he's doing an assassinate on me and that power only works if I'm surprised. I'm no longer surprised since I went before him." DM: "Oh, right. I forgot I needed to check who went before the enemy in initiative. I just figured I didn't need to call out everyone's initiative in order since you were surprised and none of you could act. I guess the only way we'll really be able to tell who is surprised and who isn't is by wasting time calling out useless initiatives. Let's get to it then..." DM: "Fighter" Fighter: "I do nothing since I can't act this round." DM: "Wizard" Wizard: "I do nothing since I can't act this round." DM: "Now the Orc goes. I guess he fires at the Rogue since the Rogue rolled lower initiative than the Orc. He hits AC 19 and does 27 damage." DM: "Rogue" Rogue: "I do nothing since I can't act this round." DM: "Cleric" Cleric: "I do nothing since I can't act this round." Unless I'm missing some sort of nebulous "benefit" that you get from making surprise end when someone takes their turn. Other than it being a matter of principle that the end of someone's turn HAS to be when surprise ends. [/QUOTE]

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