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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hriston" data-source="post: 6691818" data-attributes="member: 6787503">But I am focusing on the word "when", meaning "at or during the time that", and particularly with the connotation "at any time that" or "whenever" rather than "after". Note that none of these meanings dictate causality in one direction or another. If you impose causality, it restricts events to a certain order that is not present.Yeah, I haven't forgotten that we're talking about someone attacking from hiding. How else would they be revealing their location? They are represented by the same die roll, which is why I was arguing for an interpretation that associates that die roll more with the former moment than the latter since it is the effort of the bowman that is being represented. The actual impact of the arrow is better represented by the damage roll, if any.You can narrate the results in any way you wish. That shouldn't change the way the mechanics are supposed to work.And yet both represented by a single die roll which is different from the damage roll. To my mind, it is the damage roll that represents the fictional impact. Narratively speaking, the attack roll is the moment in which the assassin aims and shoots. How well he does this determines whether the shot is a hit or a miss. At that point in the narrative the arrow is still in flight, but whether it will hit or miss is now known to all. This is how the wizard knows to cast shield. When the arrow does indeed strike it's target is when you roll damage.</blockquote>

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