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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Arial Black" data-source="post: 6696007" data-attributes="member: 6799649">PHB p189: "Initiative determines the order of turns during combat. When combat starts, every participant makes a Dexterity check to determine their place in the initiative order."So initiative is not about whether you sense an enemy, it's about how fast you react, once you do react.PHB p176: "Dexterity measures agility, reflexes, and balance." The associated skills are Acrobatics, Sleight of Hand, and Stealth. 'Other Dexterity Checks' mentions stuff about physically manipulating things, like picking locks or tying ropes. Nothing about sensing danger or enemies.PHB p178: "Wisdom reflects how attuned you are to the world around you and represents perceptiveness and intuition." In addition to governing Insight and Perception, 'Other Wisdom Checks' includes 'get a gut feeling about what course of action to follow, discern whether a seemingly dead or living creature is undead'.So an Initiative result has absolutely nothing to do with 'state of awareness'. Its only connection is that after your senses have detected a threat, your reflexes can then kick in. But your reflexes don't kick in until after your senses have detected a threat.Brilliant! This rules quote is exactly the thing that could have ended this thread 500 posts ago!Can you give us a page number please? Or just quote the sentence, that would help a lot!</blockquote>