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<blockquote data-quote="clearstream" data-source="post: 6696249" data-attributes="member: 71699">Let's set aside assassination for a moment, as that is the rule we disagree on. I suppose you will agree that the rules do say that all other effects of surprise are mechanically done and over with for each combatant at the end of their first turn (PHB189). So let me put your question another way. Please quote the rule that says surprise ever ends, if not for each combatant after his or her first turn? Are you ruling that surprise lasts the entire combat? If not, why?Do you see what I mean? The rules say you are &quot;surprised at the start of the encounter&quot;. What is the start of the encounter? For each combatant the start lasts until the end of their first turn, because that is when the effects of surprise are done with. If it ran further, why don't they continue to suffer any further effects? And to run it further is to ignore the &quot;start of the encounter&quot; language - and you're then on your own in deciding where surprise should end.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="clearstream, post: 6696249, member: 71699"] Let's set aside assassination for a moment, as that is the rule we disagree on. I suppose you will agree that the rules do say that all other effects of surprise are mechanically done and over with for each combatant at the end of their first turn (PHB189). So let me put your question another way. Please quote the rule that says surprise [I]ever ends[/I], if not for each combatant after his or her first turn? Are you ruling that surprise lasts the entire combat? If not, why? Do you see what I mean? The rules say you are "[I]surprised at the start of the encounter[/I]". What is the start of the encounter? For each combatant the start lasts until the end of their first turn, because that is when the effects of surprise are done with. If it ran further, why don't they continue to suffer any further effects? And to run it further is to ignore the "[I]start of the encounter[/I]" language - and you're then on your own in deciding where surprise should end. [/QUOTE]

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