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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Arial Black" data-source="post: 6697972" data-attributes="member: 6799649">RAW is maintained. You are still surprised at the start. The duration of that surprise isn't directly specified in RAW, but a period of surprise which starts as combat starts but still hasn't ended when combat is over has not contradicted RAW in any way.Exactly. I notice that you find this strange, but I have to say that I find your version strange; the version where the assassin leaves cover in full sight of the enemy, walks 30-feet and then stabs, and the victim doesn't notice a threat until after he's stabbed? The victim sees a vicious felon advancing with a drawn blade and a 1000-yard stare and doesn't think this is a threat?This is why assassins shoot from cover, and don't charge over open ground under cover of daylight shouting 'Death to optimisers!' Sure is!Version 1 doesn't contradict RAW in any way, makes sense in terms of Perception (and other awareness-type skills) governing when you notice a threat, and has absolutely no problems in adjudicating play in either fluff or crunch. If you think it does, describe a scenario and I'll relate how 'my version' deals with it, fluff and crunch.'Your version' suffers the failing that it uses a measure of reaction speed for something not related to reaction speed, and mis-applies it to let it detect danger. It also means that a continuously oblvious victim is suddenly invulnerable to an assassin's auto-crit, not because he has noticed any danger, but because he has fast reflexes. He's still not actually reacting because he doesn't know there is anything to react to.</blockquote>

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