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Assassins: Is Neutral okay?
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<blockquote data-quote="delericho" data-source="post: 5981813" data-attributes="member: 22424"><p>Game mechanics wise? Absolutely. The class is balanced even if you ignore the alignment restriction entirely.</p><p></p><p>Alignment-wise? Well, not as written - the Assassin PrC as written pre-supposes that the character is a member of an organisation of paid killers. Switching from "kill solely to become an assassin" to "kill to join the assassins" is a pretty trivial change - the character has still taken the choice to join an organisation that kills for money, and that's pretty clearly Evil.</p><p></p><p>But...</p><p></p><p>Here's a question for you: in "Batman Begins", Bruce Wayne has received training by the League of Shadows, but to formally join he has to kill a guy. It's basically the exact same entry requirement, and he refuses.</p><p></p><p>Now, in game terms, does BW qualify for the "League of Shadows" PrC by virtue of having received the training, or does he fail to qualify because he doesn't truly enter the order? If he doesn't qualify, does that mean he has some other PrC that is almost entirely identical, but not quite?</p><p></p><p>What I'm getting at is this: PCs are pretty much exceptional by their very nature, in just the same way as Bruce Wayne is exceptional. So, while I wouldn't replace the general "must be Evil" rule with a looser "must be non-Good" rule, if the player was able to present a strong in-story argument for his character being an exception to that rule, I would at least consider it.</p><p></p><p>And then, being me, I'd probably say "no". But I would at least <em>consider</em> it. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="delericho, post: 5981813, member: 22424"] Game mechanics wise? Absolutely. The class is balanced even if you ignore the alignment restriction entirely. Alignment-wise? Well, not as written - the Assassin PrC as written pre-supposes that the character is a member of an organisation of paid killers. Switching from "kill solely to become an assassin" to "kill to join the assassins" is a pretty trivial change - the character has still taken the choice to join an organisation that kills for money, and that's pretty clearly Evil. But... Here's a question for you: in "Batman Begins", Bruce Wayne has received training by the League of Shadows, but to formally join he has to kill a guy. It's basically the exact same entry requirement, and he refuses. Now, in game terms, does BW qualify for the "League of Shadows" PrC by virtue of having received the training, or does he fail to qualify because he doesn't truly enter the order? If he doesn't qualify, does that mean he has some other PrC that is almost entirely identical, but not quite? What I'm getting at is this: PCs are pretty much exceptional by their very nature, in just the same way as Bruce Wayne is exceptional. So, while I wouldn't replace the general "must be Evil" rule with a looser "must be non-Good" rule, if the player was able to present a strong in-story argument for his character being an exception to that rule, I would at least consider it. And then, being me, I'd probably say "no". But I would at least [i]consider[/i] it. :) [/QUOTE]
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