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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tovec" data-source="post: 5991309" data-attributes="member: 95493">Okay, I went looking and the only reference to Vassal of Bahamut I can find is in the Book of Exalted deeds. If you are using a different source then I can look at that one too.So based on that I am going to make some assumptions based solely on the language used. I can't quote the Book of Exalted but I can paraphrase. The vassal of bahamut must single-handedly slay a juvenile (or older) red dragon. This version only mentions red dragons and it mentions the act must be completed before joining. Now what it doesn't mention is: that the paladin* must do this for no other reason than to join. The paladin may have done this because he was commanded to by the head of his church, or he may have been compelled to by a vision from his god, perhaps he just happened across a juvenile red dragon and slayed it all by himself out of the course of adventuring. But he isn't required and probably didn't do it JUST TO JOIN A GROUP. To me this seems pretty clearly to indicate the paladin is doing it because the red dragon is a red dragon and EVIL and needed to be put down.The Assassin on the other hand MUST kill someone for no other reason than to join. That is their goal. It isn't clear if the guild assigns the target or not, but the motivation seems clear here. To me this seems pretty clear that the Assassin doesn't care who the target is or their alignment or anything about them EXCEPT that they need to be put down so the Assassin can join up.If you want to talk about the legitimacy that the class have the restrictions like that at all that is fine. I was giving my opinion based solely on how the rules and classes work NOW, not what they should be in your game.And certainly there is a certain measure of alignments being in the grey in DnD. But paladins aren't and red dragons aren't. Assassins aren't really either, though I've admitted I can see (non classed) assassins being of any alignment based on motivation. I do see the motivation of joining other assassins and killing someone for no other reason than to join to be fairly clear cut as evil even in DnD's grey area. If you disagree that is fine but I'm giving you the best information I have on how the game DOES work not on how it SHOULD work.Oh, and if this is your entire point then that is fine, just let me know and we can be done as I'm not going to argue it.* the rules actually doesn't mention 'paladin' but we'll skip that part for now, it does say LG and kills a dragon so we can easily assume paladin.</blockquote>

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