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Assaying alternative rules for Success at a Cost and Degrees of Failure
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<blockquote data-quote="Fanaelialae" data-source="post: 8324839" data-attributes="member: 53980"><p>Calling what is at stake a cost is odd semantics. It's a consequence. If I try to pick the lock and fail, the consequence is that I can't get into the room (or at least must find alternate means). If I "fail" the check and the outcome of the check is that I am able to open the lock anyway, then I haven't really failed.</p><p></p><p>As for the upfront "cost", cost is reasonable language but it might be more accurate to refer to it as a requirement. I can't try to melt the lock with acid if I don't have any acid. I can't try to climb up to a rock floating in the sky if I don't have any rope.</p><p></p><p>By referring to requirements and consequences using "cost", you're muddying the waters. They are distinct conceptually, not the same. I require a motor vehicle in order to operate a motor vehicle. It's literally impossible for me to operate a motor vehicle if I have no means to obtain one. I could operate a motor vehicle that I do have, but there might be consequences for doing so (such as getting into an accident).</p><p></p><p>So it's actually:</p><p>1. Succeed</p><p>2. Fail and suffer the consequences</p><p></p><p>Or, if there is a requirement:</p><p>1. Meet the requirement and succeed</p><p>2. Meet the requirement and fail, and suffer the consequences</p><p></p><p>You say that your failure state "is not yet comitted to paying the cost". I'm not clear how you intend to have a failure without a consequence. Perhaps if you give an example?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Fanaelialae, post: 8324839, member: 53980"] Calling what is at stake a cost is odd semantics. It's a consequence. If I try to pick the lock and fail, the consequence is that I can't get into the room (or at least must find alternate means). If I "fail" the check and the outcome of the check is that I am able to open the lock anyway, then I haven't really failed. As for the upfront "cost", cost is reasonable language but it might be more accurate to refer to it as a requirement. I can't try to melt the lock with acid if I don't have any acid. I can't try to climb up to a rock floating in the sky if I don't have any rope. By referring to requirements and consequences using "cost", you're muddying the waters. They are distinct conceptually, not the same. I require a motor vehicle in order to operate a motor vehicle. It's literally impossible for me to operate a motor vehicle if I have no means to obtain one. I could operate a motor vehicle that I do have, but there might be consequences for doing so (such as getting into an accident). So it's actually: 1. Succeed 2. Fail and suffer the consequences Or, if there is a requirement: 1. Meet the requirement and succeed 2. Meet the requirement and fail, and suffer the consequences You say that your failure state "is not yet comitted to paying the cost". I'm not clear how you intend to have a failure without a consequence. Perhaps if you give an example? [/QUOTE]
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