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<blockquote data-quote="mkill" data-source="post: 5840995" data-attributes="member: 55985"><p>As long as all players have fun, you're fine. This situation would really only be a problem if you have some highly competitive players who get annoyed by this. As DM, you don't need to care at all.</p><p></p><p>Just lower the encounter difficulty a bit, without telling your players. There is no law that forces all groups to optimize their characters. You'll see that 4E takes a while to click, and for some players, it can take a year. Just wait a bit, they will probably get the hang of it at some point.</p><p></p><p>That said, it's really hard to build a 4E character that genuinely sucks. You need to use hybrid rules for that. Your Warlock / Rogue player seems to have a certain talent. There probably is a way to pull of a powerful Warlock / Rogue hybrid, but your player would be much better off single-classed as either Rogue or Warlock. Maybe ask him what he tried to achieve there. If it's just "extra-sneaky arcane guy", he'd be better off as a Warlock with an appropriate theme. If he wanted a rogue with some magic talent, a straight Rogue with Wizard multiclass for cantrips + ritual caster feat would be better (and surprisingly effective).</p><p></p><p>As for the Defender who doesn't mark... What's the class? Maybe he liked the feel of the class, but didn't want to be the guy who takes hits for the party after all. Or maybe he is simply still learning the rules, in which case you can just remind him to use his mark if he forgot. That even happened at our table from time to time, and we only have veterans who played for a decade or more.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mkill, post: 5840995, member: 55985"] As long as all players have fun, you're fine. This situation would really only be a problem if you have some highly competitive players who get annoyed by this. As DM, you don't need to care at all. Just lower the encounter difficulty a bit, without telling your players. There is no law that forces all groups to optimize their characters. You'll see that 4E takes a while to click, and for some players, it can take a year. Just wait a bit, they will probably get the hang of it at some point. That said, it's really hard to build a 4E character that genuinely sucks. You need to use hybrid rules for that. Your Warlock / Rogue player seems to have a certain talent. There probably is a way to pull of a powerful Warlock / Rogue hybrid, but your player would be much better off single-classed as either Rogue or Warlock. Maybe ask him what he tried to achieve there. If it's just "extra-sneaky arcane guy", he'd be better off as a Warlock with an appropriate theme. If he wanted a rogue with some magic talent, a straight Rogue with Wizard multiclass for cantrips + ritual caster feat would be better (and surprisingly effective). As for the Defender who doesn't mark... What's the class? Maybe he liked the feel of the class, but didn't want to be the guy who takes hits for the party after all. Or maybe he is simply still learning the rules, in which case you can just remind him to use his mark if he forgot. That even happened at our table from time to time, and we only have veterans who played for a decade or more. [/QUOTE]
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