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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Retreater" data-source="post: 5841061" data-attributes="member: 42040">The defender is a battlemind (so without marking, he can't use his mindspike ability). He is essentially playing the character like a 3.5 fighter ... which is a slayer with less damage potential, better AC, and more HP. I keep reminding him to mark, and he'll say things like "but I'm prone so I can't mark" or "I want to be able to attack this round." I try to tell him this isn't the case, but he just shrugs and says he just wants to attack.  It's a challenge because I have the following group configuration: the warlock/rogue hybrid who wants to gimp his character; the battlemind who never uses his abilities to mark (or even his other psionic abilities other than At-Will melee attacks); a highly competitive and effective ranger; a warpriest who is effective despite not understanding that she doesn't need to spread her ability scores across 3-4 good scores; and a pretty effective invoker - played by a new player - but designed by me to be awesome.   The only reason I'm bringing this up is that they are complaining about the challenge and that their characters are ineffective.  I can't help but think that the players would be happier and their characters more effective if they took other characters.</blockquote>