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<blockquote data-quote="Crothian" data-source="post: 2735360" data-attributes="member: 232">Well, I'm going with greed since that is the word that was said but if there is a better one that describes this I'm all ears.I've never seen a greedy D&amp;D player in my games.&nbsp; I have at one shot con games and gamedays and heard stories and seen them on the boards, but I have never seen this behavior in my own games.&nbsp; I don't think games encourage anything, they are what they are.&nbsp; But they might have a tendency of attracting certain types of players to them.&nbsp; Maybe&nbsp; 4 out of 5 greedy players perfer d20 to the national brand.&nbsp; But the game is easy to play without the greed, least for me it is and that's 5 years running on that.&nbsp; Maybe a dozen more rules, yes there are more but they are consistant and its easier for a player and DM if they can do actions which there are rules for then not.&nbsp; That was one of the problems with the older editions, they didn't have rules for common things some players like to try.&nbsp; Well, I'm not a master of 3.x see my answers to rules threads and I'm as wrong as I am right.&nbsp; But I'm confidant in my ability to run, I don't let the game run or control me, and it seems to work for everyone involed.&nbsp; I had an easier time learning d20 then I did GURPS.&nbsp; Maybe its becasue I started d20 5 years ago and the three core books were easy to master and it was easy to just a few new books and their rules to my game each month as my library increased.&nbsp; I actually think when people say d20 rules are complicated they are actually refering more to the thousands of books for the system then the basic rules.&nbsp; The basic core rules are really not that hard to master.&nbsp; It's the other stuff that is not always as well written and meant to be used together that causes the most problems I've seen on the boards.&nbsp; Now, I'm not saying D&amp;D 3rd ed is easy for everyone, I've seen more then my fair share of DMs that did not do a good job with the system.&nbsp; I'm a big supporter of the right game for the right GM and group.&nbsp; THis is another problem that not many people seem to realize, they might not be cut out for this game.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Crothian, post: 2735360, member: 232"] Well, I'm going with greed since that is the word that was said but if there is a better one that describes this I'm all ears. I've never seen a greedy D&D player in my games. I have at one shot con games and gamedays and heard stories and seen them on the boards, but I have never seen this behavior in my own games. I don't think games encourage anything, they are what they are. But they might have a tendency of attracting certain types of players to them. Maybe 4 out of 5 greedy players perfer d20 to the national brand. But the game is easy to play without the greed, least for me it is and that's 5 years running on that. Maybe a dozen more rules, yes there are more but they are consistant and its easier for a player and DM if they can do actions which there are rules for then not. That was one of the problems with the older editions, they didn't have rules for common things some players like to try. Well, I'm not a master of 3.x see my answers to rules threads and I'm as wrong as I am right. But I'm confidant in my ability to run, I don't let the game run or control me, and it seems to work for everyone involed. I had an easier time learning d20 then I did GURPS. Maybe its becasue I started d20 5 years ago and the three core books were easy to master and it was easy to just a few new books and their rules to my game each month as my library increased. I actually think when people say d20 rules are complicated they are actually refering more to the thousands of books for the system then the basic rules. The basic core rules are really not that hard to master. It's the other stuff that is not always as well written and meant to be used together that causes the most problems I've seen on the boards. Now, I'm not saying D&D 3rd ed is easy for everyone, I've seen more then my fair share of DMs that did not do a good job with the system. I'm a big supporter of the right game for the right GM and group. THis is another problem that not many people seem to realize, they might not be cut out for this game. [/QUOTE]

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