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<blockquote data-quote="Storm Raven" data-source="post: 2738642" data-attributes="member: 307">That is probably because you didn't actually use the 1e combat rules. You probably used a simplified version that discarded much of the text of the rules. How many people used the actual 1e initiative rules? Or the weapon speed rules? Or the weapon vs. armor type rules? Or the limitations on the use of shields? Or the limitations on the use of Dexterity? Or the charging rules? Or the rules concerning helmets, including the vision limitations they imposed? And so on and so forth. How many people used all of these rules?If you didn't, you weren't using the 1e rules.I know of no actual people who used the unarmed combat rules, ever. I played 1e for close to a decade, on three continents, in seven different countries, with dozens upon dozens of gamers. No one ever used the written unarmed combat rules. Given that you misquoted how the rules worked in your initial post in which you brought them up, I'm guessing you didn't either. Not even Gygax used the unarmed combat rules found in the DMG, he considered them to difficult for actual use in play. My statement may have been a slight exaggeration, but not much more than a slight one. No one I know used them. You didn't use them either, your own post belies this fact. The actual evidence concerning the number of people using them thus far is &quot;zero&quot;.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Storm Raven, post: 2738642, member: 307"] That is probably because you [i]didn't actually use the 1e combat rules[/i]. You probably used a simplified version that discarded much of the text of the rules. How many people used the actual 1e initiative rules? Or the weapon speed rules? Or the weapon vs. armor type rules? Or the limitations on the use of shields? Or the limitations on the use of Dexterity? Or the charging rules? Or the rules concerning helmets, including the vision limitations they imposed? And so on and so forth. How many people used all of these rules? If you didn't, you weren't using the 1e rules. [i][/i] I know of no actual people who used the unarmed combat rules, ever. I played 1e for close to a decade, on three continents, in seven different countries, with dozens upon dozens of gamers. No one ever used the written unarmed combat rules. Given that you misquoted how the rules worked in your initial post in which you brought them up, I'm guessing you didn't either. Not even Gygax used the unarmed combat rules found in the DMG, he considered them to difficult for actual use in play. My statement may have been a slight exaggeration, but not much more than a slight one. No one I know used them. You didn't use them either, your own post belies this fact. The actual evidence concerning the number of people using them thus far is "zero". [/QUOTE]

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