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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 7862564" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>As Remathilis says, there's a difference between "Not unless the DM says okay", with an ultra-cosmpolitan setting where there very well might be enclaves of Gnomes or Dragonborn or the like, and a setting which actively and aggressively sets out the limits of what is in it, as an entirely intentional conscious way of differentiating itself from and distancing itself from other D&D settings (not in a hateful way - just to make it clear it has a very different approach and set of interests).</p><p></p><p>Defiling and Preserving by themselves present a serious challenge, mechanically. Defiling has to be the default, or the setting concept breaks down. Mearls suggested one approach, but it was a very bad one, because it makes Preserving the default, and Defiling an unreliable way to gain a short-term advantage (at the long-term cost of marking you for death). It also ignored the fact that even Preservers defile, they just do so in a controlled way. If Defiling and Preserving works the Mearls way, Dark Sun wouldn't be in the state it is, and 99% of arcane spellcasting would be done Preserver-style, because only if you're in a terrifying life-or-death situation does Defiling make sense. Instead you need to have a situation where to be a "full-power" arcane caster, you must Defile. Is that "fair"? No, but that's the point - Dark Sun isn't one of these "everything is fair" settings. A number of 3PP 5E settings have situations where powerful arcane magic gets you in hot water I note so it's not even that exceptional this edition. Also you'd basically have to invent a clear distinction between arcane and non-arcane magic which 5E doesn't make (but 2E did).</p><p></p><p>For a lot of players, and this happened back in 1992, as well, this is initially quite angering - this idea that arcane magic is inherently bad. And I think WotC would be very, very sorely tempted to simply er, "Defile" Dark Sun rather than upset them, even though they'd get over it in a few months/a year.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 7862564, member: 18"] As Remathilis says, there's a difference between "Not unless the DM says okay", with an ultra-cosmpolitan setting where there very well might be enclaves of Gnomes or Dragonborn or the like, and a setting which actively and aggressively sets out the limits of what is in it, as an entirely intentional conscious way of differentiating itself from and distancing itself from other D&D settings (not in a hateful way - just to make it clear it has a very different approach and set of interests). Defiling and Preserving by themselves present a serious challenge, mechanically. Defiling has to be the default, or the setting concept breaks down. Mearls suggested one approach, but it was a very bad one, because it makes Preserving the default, and Defiling an unreliable way to gain a short-term advantage (at the long-term cost of marking you for death). It also ignored the fact that even Preservers defile, they just do so in a controlled way. If Defiling and Preserving works the Mearls way, Dark Sun wouldn't be in the state it is, and 99% of arcane spellcasting would be done Preserver-style, because only if you're in a terrifying life-or-death situation does Defiling make sense. Instead you need to have a situation where to be a "full-power" arcane caster, you must Defile. Is that "fair"? No, but that's the point - Dark Sun isn't one of these "everything is fair" settings. A number of 3PP 5E settings have situations where powerful arcane magic gets you in hot water I note so it's not even that exceptional this edition. Also you'd basically have to invent a clear distinction between arcane and non-arcane magic which 5E doesn't make (but 2E did). For a lot of players, and this happened back in 1992, as well, this is initially quite angering - this idea that arcane magic is inherently bad. And I think WotC would be very, very sorely tempted to simply er, "Defile" Dark Sun rather than upset them, even though they'd get over it in a few months/a year. [/QUOTE]
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