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<blockquote data-quote="Charlaquin" data-source="post: 8117588" data-attributes="member: 6779196"><p>Again, an orc <em>can end up with</em> a higher Intelligence than a different gnome character. But that has nothing whatsoever to do with being an orc. If the orc character’s player had chosen a gnome instead, they would have an <em>even higher</em> int score. Ergo, gnome would have been a better choice (assuming a higher intelligence is your priority when building a wizard, which I grant is not everyone’s priority.)</p><p></p><p>I see the disconnect. I am not saying that the player choosing to play the orc wizard is choosing to play a worse wizard. I am saying that player is making a worse choice of race, given that they are also choosing to play a wizard. They may end up with a better wizard than the player who chose to play a gnome wizard (for a given definition of “better wizard,” which again I concede is far from universal); however, the player who chose to play a gnome still made a better choice of race <em>for</em> their wizard, even if the wizard didn’t end up being better overall.</p><p></p><p></p><p>No, but the orc player did, by choosing an orc, guarantee themselves a lower intelligence than they would have had if they had chosen a gnome.</p><p></p><p></p><p>So?</p><p></p><p>I’m not really interested in how the orc wizard compares to other wizards. Yes, of course, if you roll for scores it is entirely possible to end up with a higher score in an ability that you did not receive a racial bonus to than another, separate character got in a score that they did receive a racial bonus to. But that doesn’t really <em>mean</em> anything other than “random rolls have random results.” I can’t do anything useful with that information. What I care about is how a character with one race compares to itself with a different race. <em>That</em> is valuable information when building a character that can influence the player’s decision of what race to play.</p><p></p><p>Yeah, for sure. I’m not saying anyone has to use anything. I’m advocating for WotC to adopt rules that are more conducive to my own play style preferences (and apparently with some success, given the new optional rule, even if it isn’t the way I would prefer to see such things implemented.) If you like fixed racial ASIs, by all means, continue using them.</p><p></p><p>Ah, ok. That was my misunderstanding then.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Charlaquin, post: 8117588, member: 6779196"] Again, an orc [I]can end up with[/I] a higher Intelligence than a different gnome character. But that has nothing whatsoever to do with being an orc. If the orc character’s player had chosen a gnome instead, they would have an [I]even higher[/I] int score. Ergo, gnome would have been a better choice (assuming a higher intelligence is your priority when building a wizard, which I grant is not everyone’s priority.) I see the disconnect. I am not saying that the player choosing to play the orc wizard is choosing to play a worse wizard. I am saying that player is making a worse choice of race, given that they are also choosing to play a wizard. They may end up with a better wizard than the player who chose to play a gnome wizard (for a given definition of “better wizard,” which again I concede is far from universal); however, the player who chose to play a gnome still made a better choice of race [I]for[/I] their wizard, even if the wizard didn’t end up being better overall. No, but the orc player did, by choosing an orc, guarantee themselves a lower intelligence than they would have had if they had chosen a gnome. So? I’m not really interested in how the orc wizard compares to other wizards. Yes, of course, if you roll for scores it is entirely possible to end up with a higher score in an ability that you did not receive a racial bonus to than another, separate character got in a score that they did receive a racial bonus to. But that doesn’t really [I]mean[/I] anything other than “random rolls have random results.” I can’t do anything useful with that information. What I care about is how a character with one race compares to itself with a different race. [I]That[/I] is valuable information when building a character that can influence the player’s decision of what race to play. Yeah, for sure. I’m not saying anyone has to use anything. I’m advocating for WotC to adopt rules that are more conducive to my own play style preferences (and apparently with some success, given the new optional rule, even if it isn’t the way I would prefer to see such things implemented.) If you like fixed racial ASIs, by all means, continue using them. Ah, ok. That was my misunderstanding then. [/QUOTE]
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