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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Rystil Arden" data-source="post: 4295071" data-attributes="member: 29014">Well, it depends.  You may also want to grab a Light Shield, for instance, with the Strength.  +1 AC and Ref (with options for magic) is not a bad deal.  But yeah, if you were going to take the Dex anyway, of course it is worth it.  And with the serious dearth of decent Epic Feats for, say, a Warlock (there's almost nothing a Warlock can take), you may indeed want to retrain for old feats back then.  11 to start will give you 13 at 21, and 12 to start will give you 14 at 21 (so you can grab Astral Fire at Paragon and Arcane Reach at Epic if you start with 12 Dex).As for Wis and Orb Wizards, Wis is almost as important for them as Int (and some builds choose Wis over Int!)--maxed out Wis allows them to shut down enemies with no save bonuses.  And of course, getting 13 Cha by Paragon tier is pretty crucial, to get Spell Focus.  Str and Dex (though not Dex if you do wands) are the only stats you can often dump, and maybe Con if you don't mind being very frail, needing to rest for more surges all the time, and you don't plan on grabbing a staff as a second implement eventually for the defenses (you can always blast with the orb and just keep the staff around for the defense boost).</blockquote>