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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Warpiglet" data-source="post: 7337736" data-attributes="member: 6689161">It is not essential to hang back.  What we are saying is if you want a BONUS, you might need to hang back.I am all for player empowerment and the rule of fun, but believe some things have to be earned and choices should matter.  You can still fight a group on your terms without surprise, you just don't always get a round of freebies.  Freebies are EXTRA and not mandatory.However, people gotta do what is right for their individual game. I like the distinction some others have made and will consider it myself.  Getting right up on someone should be riskier.  However, as a group travelling overland, it might make sense for a group check to remain undetected a la Lord of the Rings with Strider leading the way and per the movies, Frodo yelling at friends not to have a fire at the top of a hill!  THAT seemed like a group effort (and a group fail)!I would make the distinction between whether or not others could perhaps influence the choices and actions of party members.  Just myself, I do not see waldo the thief being able to help bruno the fighter be quiet up close in heavy armor.  Either way, have fun!</blockquote>