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<blockquote data-quote="Crazy Jerome" data-source="post: 5491124" data-attributes="member: 54877">I meant played strictly by the book, no fudging, no rerolling characters until you get one you like, etc. No bailing out the party with letting &quot;imaginative&quot; substitute for &quot;clever&quot;. Perhaps a few of the optional rules are used or not used. That won't change the general effect.&nbsp;But yeah, a lot of people changed things around, in no small part so that the game did not play out that way. And because real people are playing characters, there is some fuzziness on exactly where, &quot;my character did this clever thing&quot; crosses over from, &quot;I had this imaginative idea.&quot;&nbsp;No matter where you set the bar though, even very generous on ways out, you will not get the same distribution of results as you'll get with 4E. Set the bar &quot;easy&quot; enough, and 1st level party in 1E merely changes from &quot;high likelihood of death, slight chance of smashing success&quot; to reversing those odds. You could hit a similar average with both system. Heck, I've managed that with Basic, 1E, 3E, and 4E--because I like a particular average. But the distribution will be different, absent pure fiat or heavy house rules.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Crazy Jerome, post: 5491124, member: 54877"] I meant played strictly by the book, no fudging, no rerolling characters until you get one you like, etc. No bailing out the party with letting "imaginative" substitute for "clever". Perhaps a few of the optional rules are used or not used. That won't change the general effect. But yeah, a lot of people changed things around, in no small part so that the game did not play out that way. And because real people are playing characters, there is some fuzziness on exactly where, "my character did this clever thing" crosses over from, "I had this imaginative idea." No matter where you set the bar though, even very generous on ways out, you will not get the same distribution of results as you'll get with 4E. Set the bar "easy" enough, and 1st level party in 1E merely changes from "high likelihood of death, slight chance of smashing success" to reversing those odds. You could hit a similar average with both system. Heck, I've managed that with Basic, 1E, 3E, and 4E--because I like a particular average. But the distribution will be different, absent pure fiat or heavy house rules. [/QUOTE]

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