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<blockquote data-quote="Emirikol" data-source="post: 2499283" data-attributes="member: 10638"><p><strong>It's Always The Dm's Fault</strong></p><p></p><p>Nobody likes to hear this, but IT'S ALWAYS THE DM'S FAULT. If the DM doesn't sit everyone down before the game and lay down the house rules as well as the table rules, it's his own fault if players trample all over him. </p><p></p><p>Your group needs what professional sports teams use. It's called a TIME-OUT. Stop everything and have a quick discussion about ALL OF THE THINGS I LIST BELOW. YOU DECIDE THEM. THIS IS NOT A DEMOCRACY. I've been gaming 20+ years and have always used a HOUSE RULEBOOK and TABLE RULE BOOK and my players love the consistency and that they know what to expect. The house rules are for things like whether or not you allow psionics and how you determine hit points each level. The TABLE RULEBOOK is the more important of the two. It determines the etiquette of the group. It should go without saying, but I game with adults and we go over it before the start of any major campaign and i email it out to the group anytime there's a problem. Then the players can police each other (peer pressure).</p><p></p><p>Another good thing to do is create yourself a YAHOOGROUP just for your game. It helps keep players informed.</p><p></p><p>Problem players just need to be replaced. A great way to keep people in line is to always have replacement PLAYERS in the wings. If you constantly keep a "Notice: Players Wanted" up at your local game stores and on the ONLINE player-searcher's, you will always have people in the wings. There's an old saying in business: HIRE SLOW - FIRE FAST. If you need a script on how to get rid of naughty word players, here it is,"Bob, you're just not working out. We've decided to not invite you back. I wish you luck on your future endeavours." [CLICK AND HANG UP]</p><p></p><p></p><p>THE HYBORIA CAMPAIGN</p><p></p><p>DM: Jay A. Hafner Lakewood, CO, USA</p><p>(720-480- xxxxcel) <a href="mailto:jayhafner@lxxxx.net">jayhafner@lxxxx.net</a></p><p></p><p>Online Campaign Discussion Group</p><p><a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HyboriaCampaign" target="_blank">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HyboriaCampaign</a> </p><p></p><p>Welcome to the Hyborian Dungeons & Dragons campaign! Sorcerers, beasts, roguery, battles and intrigue abound in this world of adventure. Soon, you will learn what is best in life: to crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of their women.</p><p></p><p>Gaming in the Hyboria Campaign: Bring your own Campaign Handbook, 3/3.5E Players Handbook and any supplements you want to use. You must have consistent internet access. Be here for the whole game each session (if not, your character get’s no x.p). Warn us if you can’t make it. Respect the other players and DM and don’t be a stinker in your attitude or body odor. Don’t roll your dice all over the table. Evil and annoying characters aren’t allowed. Have some maturity when your character is killed, it’s never personal. Pick a personality weakness for your character instead of only strengths. Give your character a FANTASY name. We have limited gaming time, so keep your conversations in game. Players police their own. If you see a player who might be goofed up, set him straight. Stay sober for the game. It’s ok to have a drink, but the DM appreciates players that are conscious at the game and remember what happened.</p><p>Don’t make a lop-sided character and then complain when your weakness shows!Lastly, don’t invite new people without permission.</p><p></p><p>Rules Edition Notes: The 3.5 E D&D rules are used. The Conan RPG rules may not be used except for inspiration because they suck camel hemorrhoids and are not consistent with gaming-fun reality.</p><p>The DM does not use any standard monsters; they are played depending upon their intelligence and temperament, and as a rule nasty enemies will coup de grace PC’s if they get the chance. We have a house rulebook (sent separately from this email).</p><p></p><p>Prior knowledge about the world is not necessary, however it is helpful to have read at least one of the Conan books or comics. </p><p></p><p>------------------------------------</p><p>TABLE RULES (HANGS FROM MY DM SCREEN)</p><p>1. Players police their own.</p><p>2. NPC's do not speak to PC’s until they are introduced in-character</p><p>3. Players may re-roll “1's” on cure wounds rolls.</p><p>4. Enemy attacks will take a PC down to a maximum of (-9) and his initiative is automatically moved to last.</p><p>5. No player is ever allowed to tell another player what to do.</p><p>6. Do not vocalize unless it's on your turn and you're in-character. Speaking the names of MONSTERS, gods, spell-effects, OOC History and other cheezy metagaming will drop your x.p.</p><p>7. The DM is here to have fun. Make sure he does.</p><p></p><p></p><p>5-6-05</p><p>TABLE RULEBOOK II</p><p>So, I quizzed everybody on what they'd like to see improved in the game. </p><p>It's all little things, but mostly it revolves around getting more play-time </p><p>out of our already short sessions.</p><p></p><p>Here is our list of table rules that result from player and DM feedback:</p><p></p><p>1. DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT SITTING DOWN AT THE TABLE UNTIL YOUR</p><p>CHARACTER IS FINISHED AND HAS A ROLE-PLAYABLE BACKGROUND THAT WILL CONTRIBUTE TO THE FUN OF THE OTHER PLAYERS.</p><p></p><p>2. NON-GAME TALK ACROSS THE TABLE IS FROWNED UPON. If you have to</p><p>talk to someone about something out of game, step away from the table or</p><p>do it before or after we play.</p><p></p><p>3. CLEAR OFF THE TABLE. SNACKS NEED TO BE PASSED AROUND AND THEN PUT ON THE SNACK TABLE.</p><p></p><p>4. DO NOT ORDER FOOD UNLESS IT WILL BE THERE ____BEFORE___ WE START.</p><p></p><p>5. WE MEET AT 6:00 AND START PLAYING AT 6:30. WE QUIT AT 10:30. We</p><p>all need to unload our week's stresses before we start, so get there</p><p>early so we can game. If you're late, we don't want to hear about the</p><p>traffic. The only thing we want to hear is,"..and Krusk comes running up</p><p>to save the day. I got an 18 on my initiative."</p><p></p><p>6. IN-CHARACTER. Either be in the game or don't. We appreciate</p><p>players who contribute to the game. A monkey can roll dice and report</p><p>numbers. That contributes nothing to the game or to the fun of anyone else. </p><p>Refer to your fellow players by their character names while we are at the </p><p>table and justify your skill rank assignments and feats with some kind of story.</p><p></p><p>7. RELATE TO THE OTHER CHARACTERS. Create two non-obvious things your</p><p> character has in common with ith at least one other character.</p><p></p><p>8. BACK-UP CHARACTER. Here are your assigned backup characters if you</p><p>do not already have one (modify it if you like). </p><p></p><p>J.Ward.......Theteles the Ophirian (Hyborian),Ftr-2/Brd-2 (hp26; </p><p>AC15; Melee+7/Rng+7; Saves FRW+6/+5/+3 Skill pts:34; Feats: Spell </p><p>penetration, greater spell penetration; negotiator; exotic weapon </p><p>proficiency; GEAR: mwk studded leather; mwk buckler; mwk heavy </p><p>repeating xbow; mwk ranseur; mwk heavy flail</p><p></p><p>J.Reynolds...Khossus the Kothian (Hyborian),Rog-4 (hp20; AC 17; </p><p>Melee +5/Rng+7; Saves FRW+2/+7/+1 Skill pts (70); Feats: Acrobatic; </p><p>Agile; GEAR: mwk studded leather, mwk buckler, mwk hand crossbow, </p><p>mwk longspear, mwk dagger, mwk club</p><p></p><p>Christy......Alcina the Barachan Islander, Mnk-2/wiz2; (hp14; AC13; </p><p>unarmed+3; Flurry+1/1; Melee +5; Ranged +4; Saves: F/R/W/+5/+6/+9 </p><p>Skill pts(24); Feats: improved grapple; deflect arrows; combat </p><p>casting; improved initiative</p><p></p><p>Sean.........Chunder of Vendyhan, Rgr-4(nonspell) (hp 34; AC 17; </p><p>Melee+7/Rng+8; SavesF/R/W/:+5/+7/+2; Skill pts(42); Feats: exotic </p><p>weapon proficiency, combat reflexes; GEAR: mwk studded leatehr; mwk </p><p>bolas (3); mwk heavy pick</p><p></p><p>Kevin........Tut-Ahk-Amon the Stygian, Rog-2/Clr-2 (hp24; AC 17; </p><p>Melee+5/Rng+7; SAVES F/R/W: +6/+4/+5; Skill pts (52); Feats: </p><p>Endurace, Diehard; GEAR: mwk studded leather; mwk buckler; mwk short </p><p>khopesh(sword); (4) mwk daggers</p><p></p><p>Steve........Drago of Aquilonia, Ftr-4 (hp34; AC 18; Melee+8/Rng+6; </p><p>Saves: F+6(+8), R+2(+4), W+2; Skill pts(14); Feats: Great Fortitude; </p><p>Lightning Reflexes; Two-weapon fighting(dex 15 req); exotic weapon </p><p>proficiency: GEAR: SPlint, heavy shield, masterwork </p><p>two-bladed-sword; 4 javelins</p><p></p><p>Sumit........Wulfhere of Hyperborea, Bbn-4 (hp35; AC 17; </p><p>Melee+8/Rng+7; Saves F/R/W: +5/+3/+2; Skill pts(28); Feats: Blind </p><p>Fight, Exotic Weapon proficiency; GEAR: Mwk breastplate, masterwork </p><p>war-axe; (4) spears</p><p></p><p>J.Hohler.....Balthus the Gunderman, Ftr-4 (hp34; AC 18; </p><p>Melee+8/Rng+6; Saves: F+6, R+2, W+2; Skill pts(14); Feats: Animal </p><p>Affinity; Mounted Combat; Trample; exotic weapon proficiency: GEAR: </p><p> SPlint, heavy shield, masterwork dire flail; 4 spears</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>jh</p><p></p><p>..</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Emirikol, post: 2499283, member: 10638"] [b]It's Always The Dm's Fault[/b] Nobody likes to hear this, but IT'S ALWAYS THE DM'S FAULT. If the DM doesn't sit everyone down before the game and lay down the house rules as well as the table rules, it's his own fault if players trample all over him. Your group needs what professional sports teams use. It's called a TIME-OUT. Stop everything and have a quick discussion about ALL OF THE THINGS I LIST BELOW. YOU DECIDE THEM. THIS IS NOT A DEMOCRACY. I've been gaming 20+ years and have always used a HOUSE RULEBOOK and TABLE RULE BOOK and my players love the consistency and that they know what to expect. The house rules are for things like whether or not you allow psionics and how you determine hit points each level. The TABLE RULEBOOK is the more important of the two. It determines the etiquette of the group. It should go without saying, but I game with adults and we go over it before the start of any major campaign and i email it out to the group anytime there's a problem. Then the players can police each other (peer pressure). Another good thing to do is create yourself a YAHOOGROUP just for your game. It helps keep players informed. Problem players just need to be replaced. A great way to keep people in line is to always have replacement PLAYERS in the wings. If you constantly keep a "Notice: Players Wanted" up at your local game stores and on the ONLINE player-searcher's, you will always have people in the wings. There's an old saying in business: HIRE SLOW - FIRE FAST. If you need a script on how to get rid of naughty word players, here it is,"Bob, you're just not working out. We've decided to not invite you back. I wish you luck on your future endeavours." [CLICK AND HANG UP] THE HYBORIA CAMPAIGN DM: Jay A. Hafner Lakewood, CO, USA (720-480- xxxxcel) [email]jayhafner@lxxxx.net[/email] Online Campaign Discussion Group [url]http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HyboriaCampaign[/url] Welcome to the Hyborian Dungeons & Dragons campaign! Sorcerers, beasts, roguery, battles and intrigue abound in this world of adventure. Soon, you will learn what is best in life: to crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of their women. Gaming in the Hyboria Campaign: Bring your own Campaign Handbook, 3/3.5E Players Handbook and any supplements you want to use. You must have consistent internet access. Be here for the whole game each session (if not, your character get’s no x.p). Warn us if you can’t make it. Respect the other players and DM and don’t be a stinker in your attitude or body odor. Don’t roll your dice all over the table. Evil and annoying characters aren’t allowed. Have some maturity when your character is killed, it’s never personal. Pick a personality weakness for your character instead of only strengths. Give your character a FANTASY name. We have limited gaming time, so keep your conversations in game. Players police their own. If you see a player who might be goofed up, set him straight. Stay sober for the game. It’s ok to have a drink, but the DM appreciates players that are conscious at the game and remember what happened. Don’t make a lop-sided character and then complain when your weakness shows!Lastly, don’t invite new people without permission. Rules Edition Notes: The 3.5 E D&D rules are used. The Conan RPG rules may not be used except for inspiration because they suck camel hemorrhoids and are not consistent with gaming-fun reality. The DM does not use any standard monsters; they are played depending upon their intelligence and temperament, and as a rule nasty enemies will coup de grace PC’s if they get the chance. We have a house rulebook (sent separately from this email). Prior knowledge about the world is not necessary, however it is helpful to have read at least one of the Conan books or comics. ------------------------------------ TABLE RULES (HANGS FROM MY DM SCREEN) 1. Players police their own. 2. NPC's do not speak to PC’s until they are introduced in-character 3. Players may re-roll “1's” on cure wounds rolls. 4. Enemy attacks will take a PC down to a maximum of (-9) and his initiative is automatically moved to last. 5. No player is ever allowed to tell another player what to do. 6. Do not vocalize unless it's on your turn and you're in-character. Speaking the names of MONSTERS, gods, spell-effects, OOC History and other cheezy metagaming will drop your x.p. 7. The DM is here to have fun. Make sure he does. 5-6-05 TABLE RULEBOOK II So, I quizzed everybody on what they'd like to see improved in the game. It's all little things, but mostly it revolves around getting more play-time out of our already short sessions. Here is our list of table rules that result from player and DM feedback: 1. DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT SITTING DOWN AT THE TABLE UNTIL YOUR CHARACTER IS FINISHED AND HAS A ROLE-PLAYABLE BACKGROUND THAT WILL CONTRIBUTE TO THE FUN OF THE OTHER PLAYERS. 2. NON-GAME TALK ACROSS THE TABLE IS FROWNED UPON. If you have to talk to someone about something out of game, step away from the table or do it before or after we play. 3. CLEAR OFF THE TABLE. SNACKS NEED TO BE PASSED AROUND AND THEN PUT ON THE SNACK TABLE. 4. DO NOT ORDER FOOD UNLESS IT WILL BE THERE ____BEFORE___ WE START. 5. WE MEET AT 6:00 AND START PLAYING AT 6:30. WE QUIT AT 10:30. We all need to unload our week's stresses before we start, so get there early so we can game. If you're late, we don't want to hear about the traffic. The only thing we want to hear is,"..and Krusk comes running up to save the day. I got an 18 on my initiative." 6. IN-CHARACTER. Either be in the game or don't. We appreciate players who contribute to the game. A monkey can roll dice and report numbers. That contributes nothing to the game or to the fun of anyone else. Refer to your fellow players by their character names while we are at the table and justify your skill rank assignments and feats with some kind of story. 7. RELATE TO THE OTHER CHARACTERS. Create two non-obvious things your character has in common with ith at least one other character. 8. BACK-UP CHARACTER. Here are your assigned backup characters if you do not already have one (modify it if you like). J.Ward.......Theteles the Ophirian (Hyborian),Ftr-2/Brd-2 (hp26; AC15; Melee+7/Rng+7; Saves FRW+6/+5/+3 Skill pts:34; Feats: Spell penetration, greater spell penetration; negotiator; exotic weapon proficiency; GEAR: mwk studded leather; mwk buckler; mwk heavy repeating xbow; mwk ranseur; mwk heavy flail J.Reynolds...Khossus the Kothian (Hyborian),Rog-4 (hp20; AC 17; Melee +5/Rng+7; Saves FRW+2/+7/+1 Skill pts (70); Feats: Acrobatic; Agile; GEAR: mwk studded leather, mwk buckler, mwk hand crossbow, mwk longspear, mwk dagger, mwk club Christy......Alcina the Barachan Islander, Mnk-2/wiz2; (hp14; AC13; unarmed+3; Flurry+1/1; Melee +5; Ranged +4; Saves: F/R/W/+5/+6/+9 Skill pts(24); Feats: improved grapple; deflect arrows; combat casting; improved initiative Sean.........Chunder of Vendyhan, Rgr-4(nonspell) (hp 34; AC 17; Melee+7/Rng+8; SavesF/R/W/:+5/+7/+2; Skill pts(42); Feats: exotic weapon proficiency, combat reflexes; GEAR: mwk studded leatehr; mwk bolas (3); mwk heavy pick Kevin........Tut-Ahk-Amon the Stygian, Rog-2/Clr-2 (hp24; AC 17; Melee+5/Rng+7; SAVES F/R/W: +6/+4/+5; Skill pts (52); Feats: Endurace, Diehard; GEAR: mwk studded leather; mwk buckler; mwk short khopesh(sword); (4) mwk daggers Steve........Drago of Aquilonia, Ftr-4 (hp34; AC 18; Melee+8/Rng+6; Saves: F+6(+8), R+2(+4), W+2; Skill pts(14); Feats: Great Fortitude; Lightning Reflexes; Two-weapon fighting(dex 15 req); exotic weapon proficiency: GEAR: SPlint, heavy shield, masterwork two-bladed-sword; 4 javelins Sumit........Wulfhere of Hyperborea, Bbn-4 (hp35; AC 17; Melee+8/Rng+7; Saves F/R/W: +5/+3/+2; Skill pts(28); Feats: Blind Fight, Exotic Weapon proficiency; GEAR: Mwk breastplate, masterwork war-axe; (4) spears J.Hohler.....Balthus the Gunderman, Ftr-4 (hp34; AC 18; Melee+8/Rng+6; Saves: F+6, R+2, W+2; Skill pts(14); Feats: Animal Affinity; Mounted Combat; Trample; exotic weapon proficiency: GEAR: SPlint, heavy shield, masterwork dire flail; 4 spears jh .. 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