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<blockquote data-quote="Todd Roybark" data-source="post: 8022280" data-attributes="member: 6920677"><p>I’m still a little stuck on the statement: <em>“5e equates to having to look at your character sheet more then in prior editions.”</em></p><p></p><p>ummm....ok.....I don’t believe that to be true.... a 1e character sheet had: Thaco Number, Saving Throw Numbers, Weapon Proficiency selections..(’cause nobody knows how to use all weapons, Non-Weapon proficiency selections, ability scores..because modifiers were not standard, and different classes got to use different numbers.....etc, etc.</p><p></p><p>5e is much easier to play, sans character sheet, than a 1e game....system knowledge being equal.</p><p></p><p>As to the raison d’etre of this thread: honestly the answer depended on the class.</p><p>(Which in part is why 1e could accommodate groups with a very disparate level distribution).</p><p></p><p>For a 1e Magic User the answer to “When is survivability viable?” could be: never.</p><p>For a Ranger with 2d8 HP at 1st level...1st or 2nd level</p><p>For a Fighter...3rd level</p><p>For a Cavalier/Paladin that went through “zero levels” 1st level, otherwise depends if the Cavalier is on a horse or not. (Richard the Third must have been a Cavalier)<img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="🏇" title="Horse racing :horse_racing:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f3c7.png" data-shortname=":horse_racing:" /></p><p>For a Barbarian....never....by the time the Barbarian had enough XP to hit 3rd level, the campaign was done, and the rest of the group was ruling Kingdoms.</p><p></p><p>I played many a Magic User/ Thief multi-class characters just for the extra HP boost, and the fact that the Thief’s XP chart had such low advancement costs that one’s Spellcasting was not, overly impacted, adversely.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Todd Roybark, post: 8022280, member: 6920677"] I’m still a little stuck on the statement: [I]“5e equates to having to look at your character sheet more then in prior editions.”[/I] ummm....ok.....I don’t believe that to be true.... a 1e character sheet had: Thaco Number, Saving Throw Numbers, Weapon Proficiency selections..(’cause nobody knows how to use all weapons, Non-Weapon proficiency selections, ability scores..because modifiers were not standard, and different classes got to use different numbers.....etc, etc. 5e is much easier to play, sans character sheet, than a 1e game....system knowledge being equal. As to the raison d’etre of this thread: honestly the answer depended on the class. (Which in part is why 1e could accommodate groups with a very disparate level distribution). For a 1e Magic User the answer to “When is survivability viable?” could be: never. For a Ranger with 2d8 HP at 1st level...1st or 2nd level For a Fighter...3rd level For a Cavalier/Paladin that went through “zero levels” 1st level, otherwise depends if the Cavalier is on a horse or not. (Richard the Third must have been a Cavalier)🏇 For a Barbarian....never....by the time the Barbarian had enough XP to hit 3rd level, the campaign was done, and the rest of the group was ruling Kingdoms. I played many a Magic User/ Thief multi-class characters just for the extra HP boost, and the fact that the Thief’s XP chart had such low advancement costs that one’s Spellcasting was not, overly impacted, adversely. [/QUOTE]
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