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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 5090431" data-attributes="member: 2011">Yeah, a boatload of us have played the game for over 30 years now. yadda yadda yaddaEnjoy mopping up minions after the kobold wyrmpriest and kobold dragonshield drop??? How old are your players?I have no clue where you think that mopping up minions is actually a lot of fun for most people. Easier? Sure. Less thought intensive? Yup. Maybe it was a lot of fun when 4E first came out and it was a new novelty.But a lot of fun???Admin here. This post is a great example of "badwrongfun." You're welcome to disagree with someone, but berating and insulting them because they play differently than you do is absolutely not okay. Don't do it. If this is even vaguely unclear, send me a PM. ~ PiratecatAs a player, I don't want the DM telling me that #1 through #6 are minions, #7 is a controller, and #8 is a brute.By indicating which foes are minions and which are not, the DM is flat out saying "These are the type of tactics you should be using".As a player, that's not fun. Do you want to hold my hand while I take a leak as well???It's fun when I have a general idea of what's going on and I decide what I want my PC to do. Not when the DM decides a subset of what I want my PC to do.It's fun when my PC saves the day with a cool tactic, not when it's:"Oh, the DM said these foes over here are minions. I guess the party expects my Wizard to Scorching Burst them." yawn zzzzzzzzzzzMopping up minions? Fun? Most DMs in 1E through 3E would have said "Ok, the BBEG is dead, the rest flee or are wiped out in a matter of moments.". Who the heck plays that out for more than maybe a round?I had an overland route for my Paragon level PCs the other day and I said "You run into a few groups of deadly monsters in your three day travel, but with your current abilities, you wipe them out quickly and get to Candlekeep without any problems.". Zip. Cut to the chase.Who has fun killing minions? Fish in a barrel. Might as well be playing Dungeons and Dragonflies. <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing    :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" />You actually have players in your group that say "Oh boy, minions. Watch me mop them up!!!"Seriously?</blockquote>

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