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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jhaelen" data-source="post: 5296410" data-attributes="member: 46713">I disagree. It's definitely more than just white wash.Consider some of the current discussions, e.g. 'Are Casters 'still' way better than noncasters after level 6.' or 'Why does no one complain about the monk'. In these threads you see people with 3e backgrounds and Pathfinder players talking at crossed purposes. You'll see 3e players arguing based on things no longer true. 'Monks suck because they don't get full BAB'. Well, they do in Pathfinder (when flurrying).'Spellcasters are overpowered because of spells like 'x', 'y', and 'z''. Well, all of those spells work differently in Pathfinder.There's no longer a common basis for discussing the game. My 3e experience gained from playing it for almost 10 years is basically worthless (or at best misleading) when trying to discuss Pathfinder. Isn't that an indication that it's no longer the same game?It makes me feel like a computer scientist from the sixties talking about the merits of punch cards vs. tapes. The basics of data storage and programming may still be the same, but just about everything else has changed _a lot_ since then. Pathfinder is not the same system as 3e because a system consists of more than just the (basic) rules.</blockquote>