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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Philosopher" data-source="post: 5301007" data-attributes="member: 76803">Absolutely. However, the endpoints can be clearly different from each other, even if there is a continuum in between. By analogy, I certainly look older than I did 20 years ago, even though no significant changes occurred on a day-to-day basis. So while we may not be able to draw a line, the question of when Pathfinder becomes its own system still makes sense, just as it makes sense to say I look older now than I used to.<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derivative_work" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derivative_work" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derivative_work" target="_blank">But if new classes or variations on a class made for a new system, then the entirety of 3.5 would encompass more than one system, which is not the case. I suppose it depends on what one means by "the system". I focus on the basic d20 mechanic, along with classes (having classes, not necessarily a specific set of classes), AC, the three saves (and how they work), and other generic features.</a></blockquote>