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<blockquote data-quote="Henry" data-source="post: 5301058" data-attributes="member: 158"><p>If that were the criteria, Basic Mentzer D&D would meet three of your four, the main difference being how saves are reached. Heck, there would be more of a difference between Original D&D and Mentzer Basic, because in original there were no saves! (That I recall -- I think it was added in one of those supplement books, because I don't remember a save chart in Men, Monsters, and Magic.)</p><p></p><p>I just have to disagree on whether it matters, though, because the OGL says it doesn't - it's meant to foster incremental improvements as well as broad-stroke improvements. In fact, Paizo could one day prove Ryan Dancey a prophet in an old article where he talks about people picking up an OGL D&D if the owner of D&D makes changes too unpopular with the gamer majority. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> <em>(Still need to find that article for a cite - it was part of a Q&A he did more than five years ago.)</em></p><p></p><p>I see where you're coming from though -- I'm guessing you see it as too close broad-mechanical-strokes-wise to be a different system. I'm seeing it as almost as different as 4E is from 3E. Would you say 4E is a different system from 3E, at least?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Henry, post: 5301058, member: 158"] If that were the criteria, Basic Mentzer D&D would meet three of your four, the main difference being how saves are reached. Heck, there would be more of a difference between Original D&D and Mentzer Basic, because in original there were no saves! (That I recall -- I think it was added in one of those supplement books, because I don't remember a save chart in Men, Monsters, and Magic.) I just have to disagree on whether it matters, though, because the OGL says it doesn't - it's meant to foster incremental improvements as well as broad-stroke improvements. In fact, Paizo could one day prove Ryan Dancey a prophet in an old article where he talks about people picking up an OGL D&D if the owner of D&D makes changes too unpopular with the gamer majority. :) [I](Still need to find that article for a cite - it was part of a Q&A he did more than five years ago.)[/I] I see where you're coming from though -- I'm guessing you see it as too close broad-mechanical-strokes-wise to be a different system. I'm seeing it as almost as different as 4E is from 3E. Would you say 4E is a different system from 3E, at least? [/QUOTE]
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