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<blockquote data-quote="Ibixat" data-source="post: 4583184" data-attributes="member: 71416"><p>I know it can be used ranged, I said it can be used ranged and it's good for that, but I also said that I wouldn't take an attack that I'd be using ranged only to get a chance to hit twice when I already have a huge chance to hit on my single attack, and that I'd rather take an attack that will allow me to hit a different defense with an at will. That was just me pointing out that twin strike is effectively a ranged only attack for an artful dodger rogue, since as a melee attack it is more likely to miss twice as a strength based attack than a single dex based attack would.</p><p></p><p>If through some crazy AC fluke a creature is only hittable by a 18 - 20 against AC, one attack vs ac would give me 85% miss rate, two attacks would still miss on both 72.25% of the time, but if reflex is just 3 points less than AC as it often is, you'd have only a 70% miss rate on your single attack. The MM statistics thread points out that attacking reflex is on average a +3 to hit, so that's the value I use.</p><p></p><p>I guess all I'm really saying is Twin Strike would be useless for melee as an artful dodger, making it a "backup" ranged only attack type, I know that daggers can be thrown but a Rogue is often in the thick of melee. Being up close often I'd rather have at wills that both work well in melee and target different defenses than one melee and one ranged at will.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ibixat, post: 4583184, member: 71416"] I know it can be used ranged, I said it can be used ranged and it's good for that, but I also said that I wouldn't take an attack that I'd be using ranged only to get a chance to hit twice when I already have a huge chance to hit on my single attack, and that I'd rather take an attack that will allow me to hit a different defense with an at will. That was just me pointing out that twin strike is effectively a ranged only attack for an artful dodger rogue, since as a melee attack it is more likely to miss twice as a strength based attack than a single dex based attack would. If through some crazy AC fluke a creature is only hittable by a 18 - 20 against AC, one attack vs ac would give me 85% miss rate, two attacks would still miss on both 72.25% of the time, but if reflex is just 3 points less than AC as it often is, you'd have only a 70% miss rate on your single attack. The MM statistics thread points out that attacking reflex is on average a +3 to hit, so that's the value I use. I guess all I'm really saying is Twin Strike would be useless for melee as an artful dodger, making it a "backup" ranged only attack type, I know that daggers can be thrown but a Rogue is often in the thick of melee. Being up close often I'd rather have at wills that both work well in melee and target different defenses than one melee and one ranged at will. [/QUOTE]
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