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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 9070462" data-attributes="member: 177">Hold that thought...Well, first - that personal experience is not a great basis. Rhetorical questions to demonstrate the point follow: You, personally, see?&nbsp; See?&nbsp; Like, personally observe, in the room with as they play?&nbsp; How many?&nbsp; Is it a number of GMs large enough to be indicative of the hundreds of thousands of tables in play?&nbsp; Is it a truly random sample, or are you seeing them in particular populations that are apt to be biased in some way (like your personal gaming social circles, or on messageboards)?&nbsp; Exactly how to you measure the horns on the &quot;Viking hat&quot;, or the tide of them, anyway?&nbsp; How do you record them to eliminate your own perception biases?....Next, you are well aware of the tendency for discussion on messageboards to be far more polarized and strict than is seen in actual play, right?&nbsp; The confrontational dynamics of discussion here tends to introduce bias in presentation and interpretation.Considering those, then, maybe (and this is just a suggestion) you'd do well to think that we, as individuals and as a community, are not positioned to tell what is going on in the gaming world as a whole.&nbsp; And maybe asserting such judgements as a discussion technique is a flawed conversational approach.But overall, maybe not worrying so much about how much (as if we can measure amounts of) agency folks not at your table have would be a good idea.&nbsp; What matters is not how much agency they have, but whether they enjoy their games.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 9070462, member: 177"] Hold that thought... Well, first - that personal experience is not a great basis. Rhetorical questions to demonstrate the point follow:[I] You, personally, see? See? Like, personally observe, in the room with as they play? How many? Is it a number of GMs large enough to be indicative of the hundreds of thousands of tables in play? Is it a truly random sample, or are you seeing them in particular populations that are apt to be biased in some way (like your personal gaming social circles, or on messageboards)? Exactly how to you measure the horns on the "Viking hat", or the tide of them, anyway? How do you record them to eliminate your own perception biases?....[/I] Next, you are well aware of the tendency for discussion on messageboards to be far more polarized and strict than is seen in actual play, right? The confrontational dynamics of discussion here tends to introduce bias in presentation and interpretation. Considering those, then, maybe (and this is just a suggestion) you'd do well to think that we, as individuals and as a community, are not positioned to tell what is going on in the gaming world as a whole. And maybe asserting such judgements as a discussion technique is a flawed conversational approach. But overall, maybe not worrying so much about how much (as if we can measure amounts of) agency folks not at your table have would be a good idea. What matters is not how much agency they have, but whether they [I]enjoy their games[/I]. [/QUOTE]

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