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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Emerikol" data-source="post: 6351700" data-attributes="member: 6698278">Anyone with the skill can invoke it in such a world.  It is about ritual and discipline.  You also realize that anyone can multiclass wizard and cleric.  If the approach to magic is different enough then few will follow both disciplines.   It's not like there has to be a single way to access magic.  Not at all.  I didn't say the outer powers did not exist.  I said they were not directly active in granting spell power to their followers and in directing their actions.   The power the drives a spell can be part of the cleric's toolbox of rituals and rites and the target of said spell can still be an extraplanar being.  Most of these spells do not allow you to contact a specific being anyway.  In my elven example the cleric might in fact be accessing the akashic mind of all of his ancestors.It's not that big a deal.</blockquote>