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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mannahnin" data-source="post: 9694751" data-attributes="member: 7026594">Interesting.  By "limited to 1st and 2nd level spells" you mean praying for recovery, right?  They can still cast higher level spells as normal, they just can't get them back if their deity doesn't live there or in an adjacent plane (Prime Material, an Inner Plane, or a Demi Plane).  Of course, recovering spells still takes ten times as long as normal (MotP p20). Per the DMG, all clerics MUST have a deity.  There's an eleven paragraph section on receiving Cleric spells on pages 38-39.  It breaks down which spells are granted by whom/what by level.  1st and 2nd level spells are acquired by novitiate Cleric training, learning the rituals and prayers of service and engaging in that service.  3rd to 5th level spells have to be granted by intermediate supernatural minions of the deity.  And 6th and 7th level spells are directly granted by direct communication with the deity itself through prayer. The restriction you've referenced from the MotP is built on these rules.  I agree with Fenris that the Cleric being granted a special exception to the normal rules to not have a deity shouldn't exempt them from regular restrictions and make them arbitrarily more powerful. You should probably determine which plane counts as being "the universe"'s home plane for rules purposes.  I presume you already worked out an ethos/set of values for The Universe so you know what kind of behavior by the Cleric would displease it. I agree with Li Shenron's read that the RAW support the Ethereal plane restriction.</blockquote>

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