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<blockquote data-quote="Egres" data-source="post: 4130776" data-attributes="member: 23200"><p>Here's the situation.</p><p></p><p>The PCs are competing in a fantasy "Parigi-Dakar", a desert race without rules: everything is admitted, except teleporting and such.</p><p></p><p>Some of the competitors are ruthless racers that would slain the PC anytime: some of them are not.</p><p></p><p>The pcs think that they must win at all costs, cause the winner could ask anything to the local monarch, and they want to stop an incoming war with their country.</p><p></p><p>The wiz and the cleric of Heironeus are in the 2nd position and see a group of opponents approaching.</p><p></p><p>The opponents are simply riding as fast as they can, but do not show any trace of hostility.</p><p></p><p>The cleric casts Destruction on one of these opponents, killing him.</p><p></p><p></p><p>So: should the cleric lose his powers?</p><p></p><p>He says that he feels remorse for his opponent's death, but he doesn't <u>repent</u>, cause he's "ready to do it again in the future if a greater good needs a sacrifice", and that "at that time Destruction was his only available attack, and he didn't find another way to stop them".</p><p></p><p>Can he atone without repenting?</p><p></p><p></p><p>The problem is: he doesn't interpret "repent" as I do.</p><p></p><p>He thinks that, in order to repent, you truly say to yourself that you'll never do it again. But he will act in the same way again if a greater good demands so.</p><p></p><p>I, on the other way, think that repenting means that you feel remorse for what you have done, and sincerely hope you'll never find yourself once again in such a horrible situation.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Egres, post: 4130776, member: 23200"] Here's the situation. The PCs are competing in a fantasy "Parigi-Dakar", a desert race without rules: everything is admitted, except teleporting and such. Some of the competitors are ruthless racers that would slain the PC anytime: some of them are not. The pcs think that they must win at all costs, cause the winner could ask anything to the local monarch, and they want to stop an incoming war with their country. The wiz and the cleric of Heironeus are in the 2nd position and see a group of opponents approaching. The opponents are simply riding as fast as they can, but do not show any trace of hostility. The cleric casts Destruction on one of these opponents, killing him. So: should the cleric lose his powers? He says that he feels remorse for his opponent's death, but he doesn't [U]repent[/U], cause he's "ready to do it again in the future if a greater good needs a sacrifice", and that "at that time Destruction was his only available attack, and he didn't find another way to stop them". Can he atone without repenting? The problem is: he doesn't interpret "repent" as I do. He thinks that, in order to repent, you truly say to yourself that you'll never do it again. But he will act in the same way again if a greater good demands so. I, on the other way, think that repenting means that you feel remorse for what you have done, and sincerely hope you'll never find yourself once again in such a horrible situation. [/QUOTE]
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