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<blockquote data-quote="Bladesong" data-source="post: 4131881" data-attributes="member: 20800">Here is one reference point with scriptures if you wish to go that route <a href="http://www.studylight.org/dic/hbd/view.cgi?number=T5304" target="_blank">http://www.studylight.org/dic/hbd/view.cgi?number=T5304</a> , but frankly it is summed up in the first sentence: &quot;A feeling of regret, a changing of the mind, or a turning from sin to God.&quot; The later part is the key point: &quot;turning from sin TO God.&quot; That is to say, you regret what you have done and you are going to do it His way from now on. That, of course, is the part the secular world likes to leave out. In their mind &quot;It is hard enough to say it, I don't want to have to do something about it too!&quot; People tend to not want to be held responsible for their actions, but they don't mind so much paying &quot;lip service&quot;.Not to get into a religious debate, but you'll find that saying you'll change doesn't matter unless you actually change...and do it HIS way. Which if I am not mistaken is why you felt atonement might be necessary in the first place...because he wasn't doing it the big &quot;H&quot;s way...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Bladesong, post: 4131881, member: 20800"] Here is one reference point with scriptures if you wish to go that route [url]http://www.studylight.org/dic/hbd/view.cgi?number=T5304[/url] , but frankly it is summed up in the first sentence: "A feeling of regret, a changing of the mind, or a turning from sin to God." The later part is the key point: "turning from sin TO God." That is to say, you regret what you have done [U]and[/U] you are going to do it His way from now on. That, of course, is the part the secular world likes to leave out. In their mind "It is hard enough to say it, I don't want to have to do something about it too!" People tend to not want to be held responsible for their actions, but they don't mind so much paying "lip service". Not to get into a religious debate, but you'll find that saying you'll change doesn't matter unless you actually change...and do it HIS way. Which if I am not mistaken is why you felt atonement might be necessary in the first place...because he wasn't doing it the big "H"s way... [/QUOTE]

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