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<blockquote data-quote="QuaziquestGM" data-source="post: 4132353" data-attributes="member: 22559"><p>If it was an innocent.....then why was he shooting?</p><p></p><p></p><p>For that matter, cops only shoot the guilty when they have no other choice. Most of the time they don't do anything to the guilty as they haven't legal proof of guilt.</p><p></p><p>But back to the issue.</p><p>In education we deal with classroom management: methods of controlling the behavior of students to create and maintain the proper environment for learning.</p><p></p><p>One of the concepts in this is "the three R's." These represent various stages of moral advancement and acceptance of responsibility. </p><p></p><p>The first stage is Regret. </p><p>The student wishes the situation had not occurred, and thinks of how it could have been avoided and what could be done to avoid it in the future. This is an intellectual response based on personal convenience. This isn't worth the trouble. I'm sorry I got caught.</p><p></p><p>The second stage is Remorse. </p><p>The student is sorry. He feels guilty. This is an emotional moral response based on empathy for the victim (if one exists) and the student feels personally damaged.</p><p>I felt bad when she started crying. I'm ashamed to look Dad in the eye.</p><p></p><p>The third stage is Recompense. </p><p>The student is willing to do something to make up for the offense. Pay for damages, do community service, apologize and actually mean it. This is a response based on empathy and repairing a sense of self worth.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Whether religions repentance requires remorse or merely regret is open to interpretation and is the subject of doctorial debate. Is it enough to regret that you have offended God by sinning, or do you have to understand why the act was sinful and be remorseful?</p><p></p><p>Also, by stating that he would do it again in the same situation, he runs the risk of committing the separate sin of presumption. This is the sin of tempting God by assuming that you will be forgiven if you later repent. The classic example is receiving forgiveness for a sin and then deciding to commit it again thinking that can confess again later and be safe from damnation. </p><p></p><p>I hope this helps to clarify the issues for you.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="QuaziquestGM, post: 4132353, member: 22559"] If it was an innocent.....then why was he shooting? For that matter, cops only shoot the guilty when they have no other choice. Most of the time they don't do anything to the guilty as they haven't legal proof of guilt. But back to the issue. In education we deal with classroom management: methods of controlling the behavior of students to create and maintain the proper environment for learning. One of the concepts in this is "the three R's." These represent various stages of moral advancement and acceptance of responsibility. The first stage is Regret. The student wishes the situation had not occurred, and thinks of how it could have been avoided and what could be done to avoid it in the future. This is an intellectual response based on personal convenience. This isn't worth the trouble. I'm sorry I got caught. The second stage is Remorse. The student is sorry. He feels guilty. This is an emotional moral response based on empathy for the victim (if one exists) and the student feels personally damaged. I felt bad when she started crying. I'm ashamed to look Dad in the eye. The third stage is Recompense. The student is willing to do something to make up for the offense. Pay for damages, do community service, apologize and actually mean it. This is a response based on empathy and repairing a sense of self worth. Whether religions repentance requires remorse or merely regret is open to interpretation and is the subject of doctorial debate. Is it enough to regret that you have offended God by sinning, or do you have to understand why the act was sinful and be remorseful? Also, by stating that he would do it again in the same situation, he runs the risk of committing the separate sin of presumption. This is the sin of tempting God by assuming that you will be forgiven if you later repent. The classic example is receiving forgiveness for a sin and then deciding to commit it again thinking that can confess again later and be safe from damnation. I hope this helps to clarify the issues for you. [/QUOTE]
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