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<blockquote data-quote="Arkhandus" data-source="post: 4134228" data-attributes="member: 13966"><p>Heironneous says?</p><p><em>*BEEP*</em> Yes!</p><p></p><p>Given what the PCs should know about the event, and the fact that cleric of Heironeous should be holding to Heironeous' code regardless of his personal goals, Heironeous would probably strip him of his powers until he atones properly.</p><p></p><p>Heironeous is not Neutral Evil. Neutral Evil is what 'the ends justify the means' equates to in D&D. There's nothing Lawful about killing someone just because they might possibly be a threat, that's impulsive and Chaotic, not methodical or honorable. There's nothing Good about killing someone just because they might be a threat; the postman might be a threat, but you don't kill him just because he approaches your house.</p><p></p><p>Killing someone that just might, possibly, be hostile, based on some flimsy premise as "he was kind of close at the time and we're in an important competition right now, so he had to die before he could maybe possibly interfere a little or maybe possibly try to harm us though I have little to base that suspicion on and no real proof of it whatsoever, not even so much as a Detect Evil scan with the powers Heironeous blessed me with for the sake of Justice...." is no way for a clergyman of Heironeous to act.</p><p></p><p>Heironeous is not all about "the greater good", he's about acting honorably, chivalrously, and valorously, which in and of itself should serve the greater good well enough. Killing someone at impulse on a vague and baseless suspicion is not valorous or honorable at all, it's cowardly, impulsive, and vicious. It's certainly not <strong>Just</strong>.</p><p></p><p></p><p>From Deities & Demigods: Heironeous: Skills: Sense Motive +45. No mere mortal fools Heironeous when trying to justify their unjust actions.</p><p></p><p>From Dragon Magazine, issue 354, April 2007, in the Core Beliefs: Heironeous article written by Sean K. Reynolds:</p><p></p><p>Such is the way of Heironeous and his clergy. <em>Killing people</em> just because of a vague suspicion is a serious violation of good and honorable conduct.</p><p></p><p></p><p>For your reference though, from Dictionary.com:</p><p></p><p>Repeating a sin is not turning away from it or doing penitence for it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Arkhandus, post: 4134228, member: 13966"] Heironneous says? [I]*BEEP*[/I] Yes! Given what the PCs should know about the event, and the fact that cleric of Heironeous should be holding to Heironeous' code regardless of his personal goals, Heironeous would probably strip him of his powers until he atones properly. Heironeous is not Neutral Evil. Neutral Evil is what 'the ends justify the means' equates to in D&D. There's nothing Lawful about killing someone just because they might possibly be a threat, that's impulsive and Chaotic, not methodical or honorable. There's nothing Good about killing someone just because they might be a threat; the postman might be a threat, but you don't kill him just because he approaches your house. Killing someone that just might, possibly, be hostile, based on some flimsy premise as "he was kind of close at the time and we're in an important competition right now, so he had to die before he could maybe possibly interfere a little or maybe possibly try to harm us though I have little to base that suspicion on and no real proof of it whatsoever, not even so much as a Detect Evil scan with the powers Heironeous blessed me with for the sake of Justice...." is no way for a clergyman of Heironeous to act. Heironeous is not all about "the greater good", he's about acting honorably, chivalrously, and valorously, which in and of itself should serve the greater good well enough. Killing someone at impulse on a vague and baseless suspicion is not valorous or honorable at all, it's cowardly, impulsive, and vicious. It's certainly not [B]Just[/B]. From Deities & Demigods: Heironeous: Skills: Sense Motive +45. No mere mortal fools Heironeous when trying to justify their unjust actions. From Dragon Magazine, issue 354, April 2007, in the Core Beliefs: Heironeous article written by Sean K. Reynolds: Such is the way of Heironeous and his clergy. [I]Killing people[/I] just because of a vague suspicion is a serious violation of good and honorable conduct. For your reference though, from Dictionary.com: Repeating a sin is not turning away from it or doing penitence for it. [/QUOTE]
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